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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 04 Nov 2020, 18:07:04

Mousepad,

Thats a good question.

What timeframe would he acceptable to you?

After you are dead?
Or your children?
Or your grandkids?
7 generations?
2100?
2200?

How would those alive in those future times want you to respond?
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby mousepad » Thu 05 Nov 2020, 16:28:13

Newfie wrote:What timeframe would be acceptable to you?


I think I have to accept whatever nature dishes out.
And I don't think change is a problem. It's the abruptness, that's difficult to handle.

If you tell me we're going to have plenty of food and fuel for the next 500 years and then from 1 day to the next all supplies are cut in half.
That's a big issue, but if you tell me we're going to gradually loose half of our supplies over the next 500 years, I'd say easy.
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 05 Nov 2020, 19:33:39

Thats a reasonable approach. Of course we do not know the time frame.

There are indications that the collapse could be relatively sudden. My best guess is it will be lumpy; occurring here and there with some relative smooth intervals.

IIRC the Limits to Growth folks suggested that once one major indicator broke bad it would drag the rest down chaotically.

Again, IMHO, it would he wise to assume the collapse is inevitable and that fhe higher the peak the steeper the fall.
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby Peak_Yeast » Wed 11 Nov 2020, 19:04:15

It is somewhat premature to say if the dam is a success or a failure.

It depends on the expected lifetime of the project. It will be a success - until - perhaps - very suddenly it is very much not a success.

That it already has had such difficulties and not even a decade has passed is not exactly comforting, but perhaps the situation was the wake-up call they needed to strengthen the dam and construct sufficient countermeasures.

For all the time it stands it is a huge success - in terms of power production which are about 100 TWh. Denmarks entire consumption is 33 TWh. - So its powering 3 Denmarks which are full of energy top-consumers.

Or in other words: It provides a modern man energy consumption lifestyle for almost 20 million people.
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 12 Nov 2020, 19:18:38

Peak_Yeast wrote:That it already has had such difficulties and not even a decade has passed is not exactly comforting, but perhaps the situation was the wake-up call they needed to strengthen the dam and construct sufficient countermeasures.


What difficulties are you referring to? Theoretical problems that do not materialize by hysterical reports trying to make headlines do not count.
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 19 Nov 2020, 17:03:34

"China's Three Gorges sets world record for annual power generation from a single hydropower plant"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1207362.shtml

"Making full use of the comprehensive benefits of flood control, navigation and water resources utilization, the Three Gorges project has generated 103.1 billion kilowatt-hours of clean energy this year, topping the previous record set in 2016 by the Itaipu Dam in South America, the Three Gorges Corp announced on Wednesday.

The volume of clean electricity is equivalent to saving 31.7 million tons of standard coal, reducing 86.7 million tons of carbon dioxide, 20,600 tons of sulfur dioxide, and 19,600 tons of nitrogen oxide."

I keep waiting for it to collapse, but it just doesn't! The suspense is killing me!
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby Peak_Yeast » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 04:55:51

Three Gorges Dam opened all 10 spillways to lower the flood crest on Wed as the inbound flow of water rose to 72,000 cubic meters per second, the largest inbound flow since the dam was built. pic.twitter.com/RYlYEVoWGy
— People's Daily, China (@PDChina) August 19, 2020

About 100,000 people have been evacuated in Sichuan. Authorities reportedly dispatched helicopters to rescue those stranded by the rising waters.


I would call that a difficulty that should not be repeated too often.

The company noted that parts of the dam had “deformed slightly,” displacing some external structures, and seepage into the main outlet walls had also been reported throughout the 18 hours on Saturday and Sunday when water was discharged though its outlets.


I would also call that a difficulty.

"The problem is that China once claimed the dam would withstand a 10,000 year flood, then a 1,000 year flood and now only a 100 year flood. Then in 2018 it was reported online that pictures show that the Three Gorges Dam has moved"


And now we have a 100 year flood after slightly more than 10 years? Yes .. I believe that is also a difficulty.

Perhaps your definition of a difficulty differs from mine - if so fine. We can disagree.
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby dissident » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 12:26:04

JuanP wrote:"China's Three Gorges sets world record for annual power generation from a single hydropower plant"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1207362.shtml

I keep waiting for it to collapse, but it just doesn't! The suspense is killing me!


Somehow western fake stream media sources doctoring photographs of the dam showing it deforming in a catastrophic manner are OK. Brazen lies and hoaxes are the new normal of western "news".
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby Peak_Yeast » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 18:40:49

It got lost in editing, but I want to make it clear that I am all for 3 gorges dam. But I am also ALL for making it last 100+ years.
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 29 Nov 2020, 10:47:05

"China to build historic Yarlung Zangbo River hydropower project in Tibet"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1208405.shtml

"According to the report, the mainstream of the Yarlung Zangbo River has the richest water resources in Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region, about 80 million kilowatt hours (kWh), while the 50-kilometer section of the Yarlung Zangbo Grand Canyon has 70 million kWh that could be developed with a 2,000-meter drop, which equals more than three Three Gorges power stations.

Tibet has about 200 million kWh of water resources, accounting for 30 percent of the total in China.

Yan said that the hydropower exploitation of the Yarlung Zangbo River downstream is more than a hydropower project. It is also meaningful for the environment, national security, living standards, energy and international cooperation.

According to Yan, the 60 million kWh hydropower exploitation at the downstream of the Yarlung Zangbo River could provide 300 billion kWh of clean, renewable and zero-carbon electricity annually. The project will play a significant role in realizing China's goal of reaching a carbon emissions peak before 2030 and carbon neutrality in 2060."

The speed with which China continues to modernize has been blowing my mind for over 40 years. I don't think that any other country in the world ever achieved so much progress for so many people in such a short period of time in all of human history; I also believe that no other country ever will, either. China is a truly exceptional country!

By the way, I am still anxiously waiting for the collapse of the Three Gorges Dam, which has been announced as imminent and inevitable by Western imperialist nations since it was built. That damned dam simply refuses to collapse! I am running out of nails to bite; I am biting my toenails now!
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby REAL Green » Sun 29 Nov 2020, 10:57:58

JuanP wrote:"China to build historic Yarlung Zangbo River hydropower project in Tibet"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1208405.shtml

The speed with which China continues to modernize has been blowing my mind for over 40 years. I don't think that any other country in the world ever achieved so much progress for so many people in such a short period of time in all of human history; I also believe that no other country ever will, either. China is a truly exceptional country!


Please JuanP, your mind is blown from more than China. China is the greatest threat to the planet currently. It is followed closely by the west that is far less energetic. China could give a shit about its people or the planet. They are rapping neighboring countries like Tibet in the name of Chinese hegemony. China is nothing to moan in delight over as you constantly do.
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Re: Three Gorges Dam

Unread postby dissident » Wed 02 Dec 2020, 15:19:20

The sanctimonious NATO west prefers to wait for magical alternatives while it shuts down its clean nuclear power because of tsunami flooding risk (Germany) and Green Party terrorism (France) and turns to coal. China exploiting world's best hydro-electric resources is to be smeared with hate excrement. Funny how the rapid deployment of coal power plants in China in the last 30 years due to energy demand pressure was never attacked like the Three Gorges project. It shows you exactly the sort of "truth" being pushed by the NATO fake stream media.
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