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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby dissident » Mon 03 Aug 2020, 11:16:01

sparky wrote:.

a lot of the arctic shipping is from Yamal to Murmansk
as of today there is very few trans arctic passage for commercial vessels


There is no point for such traffic. Connecting Europe and the New World can be done through the North Atlantic with no loss due to detours. Arctic shipping is all about offering a shorter route from east Asia to Europe. This will leave the Suez underused and critically for the USA without the ability to coerce China and others with blockage blackmail.
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby sparky » Mon 03 Aug 2020, 18:44:00

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Yep , that's about the size of it
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 03 Aug 2020, 18:57:37

Well we will see if cargo ships exiting Rotterdam bound for China or Japan choose to turn right instead of left to save time and fuel. If some do and make money at it then it might become a trend but there would need to be several profitable voyages using the Northern route to convince those with experienced and reliable routes through the Suez canal to make the change. Of course China developing a fossil fuel delivery route totally outside of US jurisdiction is in their military best interest but there cost is much less of a factor.
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 03 Aug 2020, 20:42:09

About shipping in general, not arctic.

With the slow economy many ships are layed up. And many are headed to the breakers. The latest is a 10 year old Panamax vessel. Still lots of life left but no market.

Maybe this should be in the stock market crash thread.

https://gcaptain.com/10-year-old-panama ... for-scrap/
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby sparky » Tue 04 Aug 2020, 19:29:49

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ship cargo got their index the "Baltic dry index" it's used to gage the state of the world trading

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/baltic
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 19 Nov 2020, 02:01:32

"Northern Sea Route shipping rises as sea ice falls"
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

"Commercial shipping along the Northern Sea Route of the Russian north coast is increasing. This includes complete transits from Europe to East Asia, local shipping within the Arctic Ocean, and deliveries of liquefied natural gas from gas fields in the Yamal Peninsula to ports in both Europe and East Asia. The years 2019 and 2020 saw significantly increased shipping activity compared with 2018. 2020 had slightly more shipping than 2019 when comparing August shipping from both years. The shipping traffic map shows the importance of passages just north of the Taymyr Peninsula and near the New Siberian Islands on either side of the Laptev Sea; these are generally the last areas to clear of ice, and only in the warmest years. However, in 2020, the Northern Sea Route was essentially ice free from mid-July through about October 25. Icebreaker and ice-hardened tankers made several voyages within the route as early as June."

"Russia's latest and most powerful nuclear icebreaker sets off on maiden Arctic voyage"
https://www.rt.com/business/506833-russ ... ge-arctic/
"The icebreaker’s first voyage will take three weeks, according to AtomFlot. After the completion of the voyage, ‘Arktika’ will return to Murmansk to replenish supplies, and will head back to the Northern Sea Route in late December. The nuclear-powered ship will conduct winter-spring navigation in the Arctic."
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 19 Nov 2020, 11:59:17

I am actually surprised it doesn't set a new shipping record at least 2 out of 3 years given how much shorter the route "over the top" is compared to the Suez and Panama routes.
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby dissident » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 16:35:03

There would be more traffic if it wasn't for Washington's blackmail threats against international shipping companies with sanctions. Washington has been frothing at the mouth about "Russian militarization of the Arctic" when Russia has been deploying hardware and revitalizing old bases on its own freaking soil. Washington had big plans for sea based ABM deployment near Russia's Arctic waters as part of its dream of boost phase ICBM interception. That plan hasn't been working out so the big baby is screaming. Also Washington, can't let the shipping chokehold it has in Panama and Suez be undermined by an alternative route. If you think this is not true, then do some research on the Suez crisis.

So we have had all sorts MSM propaganda assault on Russia and "environmentalist" action in the form of concern for the "fragile ecosystem" in the Arctic as if that ever mattered before. There is pressure at the UN to "protect" the Arctic from ebil Rosshian dominated shipping. Russia has anticipated some of this BS and is building new freighters and LNG carriers to operate on natural gas. Another effort is to offer shipping services since not all countries can flip over to squeaky clean ship propulsion:

https://www.arctictoday.com/rosatom-loo ... g-service/

In case it is not clear, the so-called environmental action is pure political rubbish since cutting down on ship travel time directly reduces emissions of CO2 and sulphate aerosol. The USA is not pushing its proxies to "clean up" shipping through the Suez and Panama.
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby JuanP » Mon 23 Nov 2020, 21:07:58

The IMO will ban heavy fuel oil use in the Arctic
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... rctic.html

"The International Maritime Organization (IMO) approved on Friday a ban on the use of heavy fuel oil for ships in the Arctic, but environmental organizations slammed the new regulation as “riddled with loopholes” that would continue to exonerate some polluters well into the end of 2020s. The Marine Environment Protection Committee (MEPC) of the UN’s organization IMO moved to ban the use of heavy fuel oil (HFO) and its carriage for use by ships in Arctic waters after July 1, 2024.
The controversy in the new regulation arises from several provisions. One exempts ships with oil fuel tanks inside their double hull, while another gives countries in Arctic waters the right to issue waivers from the HFO ban for vessels flying their respective flags in the Arctic until July 1, 2029."

One can't help but wonder how much geopolitical issues are behind these decisions, and not just environmental ones. I am not disputing the possible environmental benefits, but a large number of environmental and human rights organizations have been corrupted and politicized in the last decades, and everything they say and do these days needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby dissident » Tue 24 Nov 2020, 12:05:40

It is pure political theater. They want to ban "dirty" fuel on a short-cut route, but do precisely f*ck all on the existing, longer routes. Sulfate pollution in the Arctic is not special. Clearly CO2 emissions are not confined there either. This geopolitical poser "environmentalism" is not credible since it does not act to stop the pollution in all transport shipping.

Also, for all the phony bleeding hearts, any wreaks leaking oil or bilge oil dumping would affect Russia's coat foremost. Canada would simply not be affected and only the Bering Strait and western Alaska would have some risk. But Alaska is already exposed to Exxon Valdez type risk.
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby JuanP » Fri 27 Nov 2020, 12:10:39

"Russia working on massive oil project to boost country's position in Arctic"
https://www.rt.com/business/507986-russ ... ct-arctic/

"Rosneft’s CEO Igor Sechin, who has met with President Vladimir Putin this week, has pledged that Vostok Oil will deliver up to 30 million tons of oil via the Northern Sea Route by 2024.

In total, the project will ensure the production, transportation and transshipment of up to 50 million tons of oil per year at the initial stage, and up to 100 million tons when the second stage is completed, Sechin said."
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 27 Nov 2020, 15:19:32

JuanP wrote:"Russia working on massive oil project to boost country's position in Arctic"
https://www.rt.com/business/507986-russ ... ct-arctic/

"Rosneft’s CEO Igor Sechin, who has met with President Vladimir Putin this week, has pledged that Vostok Oil will deliver up to 30 million tons of oil via the Northern Sea Route by 2024.

In total, the project will ensure the production, transportation and transshipment of up to 50 million tons of oil per year at the initial stage, and up to 100 million tons when the second stage is completed, Sechin said."

That would be about 100 super tanker loads per year in 2024 and 300 per year at the completion. That seems doable but a bit ambitious as that would match half of what transits the Suez canal each year.
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Re: Arctic shipping to conserve energy.

Unread postby JuanP » Fri 27 Nov 2020, 17:14:43

"Russian oil giant announces start of vast Arctic project"
https://phys.org/news/2020-11-russian-o ... rctic.html

Another source on the news above.
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