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LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby diemos » Thu 19 Nov 2020, 22:14:11

mousepad wrote:The conclusions you're arriving at, man. Just because I don't believe in science to make life better, I'm not a doomer. I believe science is a very good tool to send a man to the moon. But science fails badly in things that matter to me. For example science can't make me happy or make me laugh. That's why I don't believe in science.


The correct term for science is "creationism", and I study the creation to learn its nature because it is the only source of knowledge available that I can be certain does not come from man. It may be subtle and complicated but I know it never lies to me. I might lie to myself about its nature but it always is, what it is.

But if you're looking for something to "believe in" to make you happy then you should stick to religion. The creation may be vast, ancient and wondrous, a harmony of mathematical perfection, but it has many aspects that you are not going to like ... at all.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby mousepad » Thu 19 Nov 2020, 22:46:26

diemos wrote:It may be subtle and complicated but I know it never lies to me.

If you can read it right. Many a man reads what he wants to read or what he's told to read.
The vast majority of people have no idea about science. The most complex logic thought they can form is "I'm hungry therefore I must eat".

Those people are indoctrinated in school to believe science to be the big salvation. The savior of humankind. If we only believe in it with all our heart we can overcome any hardship. Yet most of them can't solve a linear equation.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby diemos » Thu 19 Nov 2020, 23:25:57

mousepad wrote:Those people are indoctrinated in school to believe science to be the big salvation. The savior of humankind. If we only believe in it with all our heart we can overcome any hardship. Yet most of them can't solve a linear equation.


Well, we could start an entire new thread on the failings of science education in the K-12 system if you want.

But I'm sure that the people who spent a couple of decades desperately trying to find a way to keep their faces from rotting and falling off from leprosy would have been delighted to know about the germ theory of disease and antibiotics.

Science isn't salvation but it is useful.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby diemos » Thu 19 Nov 2020, 23:36:38

mousepad wrote:The most complex logic thought they can form is "I'm hungry therefore I must eat".


Most people's thinking doesn't go beyond, "I don't want this to be true, so it's not."
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 11:02:15

diemos wrote:
mousepad wrote:The most complex logic thought they can form is "I'm hungry therefore I must eat".


Most people's thinking doesn't go beyond, "I don't want this to be true, so it's not."


That is a sad and sorry truth!

Most of the reason this thread has never been permanently locked is because I admit I don't know everything and if someone does actually invent a cold fusion like energy source there are a long string of arguments about its implications on this thread. It is pretty clear after so many years that Rossi hasn't got anything. If he did he could have moved to some remote town, built a few of his devices and gotten the locals interested in cheap energy and got himself a reputation as a successful mad scientist. Instead he pops up in the fringe media from time to time showing what would be quite fascinating demonstrations if they could be verified as authentic and making grand claims about how he is being stifled. Real inventors do stuff, they don't just constantly ask for donations to get to the "next step".
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby mousepad » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 11:18:07

diemos wrote:
Most people's thinking doesn't go beyond, "I don't want this to be true, so it's not."


Including scientists. Be careful when claiming to hold the truth while dismissing the other man's truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby diemos » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 11:41:20

mousepad wrote:Be careful when claiming to hold the truth while dismissing the other man's truth.


There is no other man's truth.

Ideas either match the physical world or they do not. If they do not they are not correct.
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby mousepad » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 11:55:29

diemos wrote:
mousepad wrote:Be careful when claiming to hold the truth while dismissing the other man's truth.


There is no other man's truth.

Ideas either match the physical world or they do not. If they do not they are not correct.


:-) If it were just so easy!
Since you cannot measure the physical world to total accuracy you won't be able to determine if you're correct or not.
Hence you have to assume. And once you assume, another man makes other assumption and whoops, you have disagreements.
But maybe i'm wrong and you are in fact the only and true beholder of the truth. Are you? If yes then you're underpaid, let me tell you that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
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Re: LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 5

Unread postby diemos » Fri 20 Nov 2020, 12:08:54

mousepad wrote::-) If it were just so easy!


We can use our understanding to design and build gizmos that actually work.

It's easy to believe anything you want if you never have to make anything actually work.
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