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Unread postby asg70 » Tue 08 Sep 2020, 12:39:06

The party line of doomers is that industrialization as we know it can't exist without fossil fuels because some things (like metallurgy) just can't be done with renewables. Well, this pilot program is going to put that theory to the test.

https://www.h2-view.com/story/fossil-fr ... operation/

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Re: Fossil Fuel Steel

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 08 Sep 2020, 12:47:25

Chemistry is pretty amazing. There are often multiple ways to get various chemical reactions to occur.

The current industrial system is designed to do things as CHEAPLY as possible.

The big question with this new Swedish plant that uses hydrogen to make steel is how much it is costing them to make the hydrogen.

If the Swedes have a cheap way to create an abundant supply of hydrogen, then they can not only make steel but they can also use it to fuel cars and trains and run their whole industrial infrastructure without fossil fuels.

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Re: Fossil Fuel Steel

Unread postby dissident » Tue 08 Sep 2020, 13:36:36

Existence of alternative technologies does not imply that they will be adopted. The best of all possible worlds argument is for the ignorant. The path of least resistance and cost is the one that will be chosen. It is the entropy maximizing path. Arguing that high cost alternatives will displace lower cost older designs without any external coercion by the state is a non-starter.

There was a pilot project for fuelling civilian aircraft with hydrogen. So where are the hydrogen powered jets sitting at any airport? You would think that some report on such dabbling is evidence of full adoption.
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Re: Fossil Fuel Steel

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 11 Sep 2020, 10:12:46

dissident wrote:Existence of alternative technologies does not imply that they will be adopted. The best of all possible worlds argument is for the ignorant. The path of least resistance and cost is the one that will be chosen. It is the entropy maximizing path. Arguing that high cost alternatives will displace lower cost older designs without any external coercion by the state is a non-starter.

There was a pilot project for fuelling civilian aircraft with hydrogen. So where are the hydrogen powered jets sitting at any airport? You would think that some report on such dabbling is evidence of full adoption.


Excellent point, I remember seeing a German passenger jet that had been modified with a large liquid hydrogen tank on top of the passenger compartment. It was touted as "The Wave Of the Future" circa 1985. The next year the price of oil crashed to very low levels and the project went "Poof" into the memory hole.
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