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THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 19 Jul 2020, 15:50:22

"Is Trump using Nordstream 2 to exit NATO?"
https://www.rt.com/business/495100-covi ... -recovery/
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby sparky » Mon 20 Jul 2020, 04:00:43

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There is a lot of currents and motivations going on simultaneously and honestly nobody has ever successfully accused the US of having a foreign policy
it has several domestic policies which are played on the world stage
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby JuanP » Sat 25 Jul 2020, 07:47:19

"Russia's Nord Stream 2 pipeline will significantly cut gas prices in Europe, energy consultancy says"
https://www.rt.com/business/495823-nord ... es-europe/

"“If Nord Stream 2 remains unfinished, European benchmark TTF gas is expected to average about $4 per million British Thermal Units next year. But if the project can be completed as its backers hope early in 2021, then the average TTF price that year could drop to about $3, we estimate,” analysts at Wood Mackenzie wrote."

I think this is one of the main reasons why the US government is fighting Nord Stream 2 in every way it can. This would drastically reduce or completely eliminate any profits from US LNG exports to Europe.
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby sparky » Sat 25 Jul 2020, 10:56:32

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as a side issue there is Turk stream , called "Balkan stream" for the ethnic bigots
it will supply Russian gas from the Turkish route to the Balkans and Austria
everything is ready except the Bulgarian leg
Oh surprise , the government of Bulgaria got some flak while the congress got told to consider sanctions

https://www.thenational.ae/business/us- ... -1.1049747
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Sat 25 Jul 2020, 14:26:12

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as a side issue there is Turk stream , called "Balkan stream" for the ethnic bigots
it will supply Russian gas from the Turkish route to the Balkans and Austria
everything is ready except the Bulgarian leg
Oh surprise , the government of Bulgaria got some flak while the congress got told to consider sanctions

https://www.thenational.ae/business/us- ... -1.1049747


The Bulgarian regime is an utter joke. It cuts off its nose to spite its face all the time. They shut down a viable four unit nuclear plant and cancelled expansion to six units. Now they have high electricity prices. Meanwhile, Ukraine with all of its problems bothers to keep its nuclear plants going and has much cheaper electricity prices. I have seen some coverage where Bulgaria will no longer serve as the transit country for Turkstream.

I think EU-peons will only wake up from their propaganda induced stupor once their gas bills start to increase. But by then it will be too late. Like Obummer, the current president of the USA and his advisors are under the delusion that Russia is desperate to export its gas to the EU. In the real world, it is starting to build a second massive gas pipeline project to China and its far east LNG export facilities. After 2025 Russia will be able to throw its gas exports east and EU can flail in the wind.

Few in the EU realize the absurdity of a country with no gas export capacity trying to dictate to them who they can get their gas from. If they submit to Uncle Scumbag, they will be importing gas from Qatar and not the USA. They will also be importing Russian LNG. LOL.
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby sparky » Sun 26 Jul 2020, 01:49:28

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For decades Gazprom was making good money from it's exports and had to sell its gas cheaply to the internal Russian market
but things change ,
the domestic price has been slowly increased while the export price is now very low , it make exporting the stuff less of a concern
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 26 Jul 2020, 07:08:34

"'Very serious threats': US reportedly ramps up pressure on Nord Stream 2 contractors"
https://www.rt.com/business/495881-nord ... -pressure/

"The US government has made further attempts to force European firms to ditch the Russian-led Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project, Welt am Sonntag reported, citing people familiar with talks on the issue.
According to the newspaper, officials from US Department of State, the Treasury Department, as well as the Department of Energy approached European contractors to make sure they fully understand the consequences of staying in the project. Up to a dozen officials reportedly held at least two online conferences with representatives of the firms in recent days."

If the Europeans back down on this at this point, they will regret it immensely for a very long time. Russia is certain to raise gas prices to Europe to recoup the investment and sue them, too. Russia would also divert all that gas to China and the rest of Asia by pipelines and to the rest of the world as LNG in a permanent way. Europe is running out of gas and oil, and losing low cost Russian gas imports will seriously damage the European economy and/or its environment if it pushes them to use more coal.
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby REAL Green » Sun 26 Jul 2020, 07:34:05

JuanP wrote:Russia would also divert all that gas to China and the rest of Asia by pipelines and to the rest of the world as LNG in a permanent way.



JuanP, who do you know in the Russian gov to give you the authority to act like an expert? LMFAO. What do you know about pipelines and diverting gas? Do you have any references? I think you are talking out your ass emotionally like most of your comments.
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby sparky » Mon 27 Jul 2020, 00:40:36

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It's actually pretty clear , Yamal is liquefying its gas and has build four liquefaction trains
the pipelines are meeting such a stuborn american opposition by all means fair or foul
while the EU is extremely soft in it's defense
it doesn't take a genius to read the runes
a pipeline network is as much a binding tie for the supplier as for the consumer
the decision to pipe East and liquefies more make the European market more marginal
and the selling of the stuff more flexible

P.S. there is more pipelines being planned ....but to china
power of Siberia 2 also called the Altai project

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-plans-t ... 19347.html
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Wed 29 Jul 2020, 13:20:47

The delusion of US imperial wannabe "law makers" is something else. These clowns really drink their own propaganda koolaid and think that Russia will lose something from the sabotage of NS 2. They also think that they can force Russia to export via the siphoning thieves in Banderastan. Even if they can achieve this in the short term, NS 2, is already being replaced both PS 1 and the yet to be finished PS 2.

PS 1 has an export capacity of 61 bcm. NS 2 was supposed to have an export capacity of 55 bcm. So Russia already has a full bypass of Banderastan in place since it was transiting under 65 bcm through it. In addition, EU-tards serving Uncle Scumbag in Bruxelles were imposing limits on exports via NS 2 in the form of 50% via supposed diversification for other providers which do not exist in this universe. Germany gave Gazprom a 20 year exemption but was waffling to the point of not being predictable. So the real export capacity via NS2 could have been 27.5 bcm.

Russia is not losing anything by transiting gas through Banderastan on a temporary basis to fulfill its contracts. Once the US decider pinheads get their way, Russia will declare force majeur and the EU can flap in the wind. I am sure that the US fake stream media and its EU bootlicks will claim it is all "Russian blackmail", but Russians no longer give a flying f*ck. Eat sh*t, losers.
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby REAL Green » Thu 30 Jul 2020, 05:20:25

Ocasio-Cortez Could Deal A Fatal Blow To U.S. Oil Pipelines

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... ews+Update)

“Democratic Congresswoman and prominent environmental activist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is now seeking an amendment to the text in the next budget to block the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers from issuing permits to oil and gas infrastructure, HuffPost reports. According to the proposed legislation, “None of the funds made available by this Act may be used by the Corps of Engineers to issue a permit under section 404 of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (33 U.S.C. 1344) for the discharge of dredged or fill material resulting from an activity to construct a pipeline for the transportation of oil or gas… Ocasio-Cortez’s proposed amendment, however, is unlikely to pass even in the Democrat-majority House where Democrats are not at all on the same page about dropping oil and gas pipeline projects, not to speak of the Republican-majority Senate, which is unlikely to pass such a measure. Still, the proposed legislation highlights the growing divide between environmental justice campaigners and the oil and gas industry, and the ever-growing opposition to pipelines in North America.”
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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Tory123 » Wed 12 Aug 2020, 03:38:30

I doubt very much that the law will still be adopted



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Re: THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby sparky » Wed 12 Aug 2020, 12:07:25

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez embrace of legislation has the same legislative appeal as a bear trap as a sex toy
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