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If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines empty?

Unread postby Tom Kirkman » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 07:01:21

So a question for this specific forum .... if Peak Oil (and Gas) has already arrived, then why is environmental legislation still used as a sledgehammer by the far left to actively *block expansion* of oil & gas pipelines?

- If oil & gas are running out, won't the oil & gas pipelines run out of oil & gas to transport?

- If oil & gas are running out, why on earth would there still be a need for expansion of oil & gas pipeline infrastructure?


And now on to one of my typical pro - oil & gas rants ... :wink: :mrgreen:

The civilized world runs on hydrocarbons, and oil & gas pipelines are the arteries that allow this essential energy to be distributed widely.

I am generally in favor of expansion of oil & gas pipeline infrastructure anywhere in the world, regardless of local or global politics. Yes, that includes Russia's Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline. LNG can be offered as an alternative to End Users in EU if they choose not be tied to Russia's gas supply.

In the U.S. the far left's sledgehammer of 5 or 10 year "Environmental Impact" studies used to actively prevent oil & gas pipeline infrastructure expansion by some states is insanity, and it's deliberate red tape abuse needs to be reigned in by the Federal government.

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Here in Ohio, the natural gas and oil developed from our region’s shale are reliable sources of energy and key drivers of the local economy. Nearly 7 of 10 Ohio households use natural gas for home heating and shale-related industries employ nearly 390,000 Ohioans. Recent estimates also predict that the Utica and Marcellus shale region, of which Ohio is a major part, will supply half of our country’s total natural gas production by 2040. We are leading the charge in the unprecedented domestic energy boom and helping the U.S. become less reliant on foreign sources.

Yet, the process of producing and transporting energy depends on reliable, modernized infrastructure to extract, collect, transport and ultimately deliver energy in all forms to Ohioans when they need it most. Without these critical rail, pipeline and transmission projects to keep up with our growing population’s energy demands, our infrastructure will only deteriorate under the stress and our economy will suffer as a result. ...

... A viable energy future requires the development of infrastructure that will allow regions across the nation, including Ohio, to tap into clean and affordable energy supplies. Therefore, it is up to our policymakers to work together under the banner of bipartisanship to look past the rhetoric, realize the need for NEPA reform and support the development of newer, more efficient and safer energy infrastructure.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby asg70 » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 08:49:40

Tom Kirkman wrote:In the U.S. the far left's sledgehammer of 5 or 10 year "Environmental Impact" studies used to actively prevent oil & gas pipeline infrastructure expansion


Wondeful. A Koch-approved anti-environmentalist big-oil sock-puppet.

BOLD PREDICTIONS
-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)

HALL OF SHAME:
-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby Tom Kirkman » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 11:17:30

asg70 wrote:
Tom Kirkman wrote:In the U.S. the far left's sledgehammer of 5 or 10 year "Environmental Impact" studies used to actively prevent oil & gas pipeline infrastructure expansion


Wondeful. A Koch-approved anti-environmentalist big-oil sock-puppet.


Nah, I despise the Koch brothers. Evil bastards. The Kochs are a "Conservative" version of the Rothschilds, also evil bastards.

I use my real name, and I'm nobody's sock puppet. I'm also pro - environment, but not in the crazy way the leftist media pushes environmental extremism / Green New Deal Socialism insanity.

Also, I am proudly pro - oil & gas, and refuse to apologize for being pro - oil & gas and pro - Trump.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby asg70 » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 12:51:03

Tom Kirkman wrote:I'm also pro - environment
I am proudly pro - oil & gas, and refuse to apologize for being pro - oil & gas and pro - Trump.


You and Real GREEN would get along.

Seriously, cognitive dissonance is a disease.

BOLD PREDICTIONS
-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)

HALL OF SHAME:
-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby Tom Kirkman » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 13:27:21

asg70 wrote:
Tom Kirkman wrote:I'm also pro - environment
I am proudly pro - oil & gas, and refuse to apologize for being pro - oil & gas and pro - Trump.

Seriously, cognitive dissonance is a disease.


Being pro - environment and pro - oil & gas are not mutually exclusive.

My usual playground online for years was the chans, and currently 8kun, after 8chan bit the dust.

Nothing wrong with trying to gently induce some cognitive dissonance by sharing information.

Mainstream Media is the virus.
Vaccinate yourself by unplugging your damn TV and ignoring the MSM fear-mongering.


Go outside and take a walk. Enjoy the sun and fresh air. Smile. Talk with other people about anything other than the media's ongoing panic agenda.

There is no "second wave" of Covid fear except what the Media tries to scare you into believing.

Apparently BLM and Antifa protests are immune to Covid spread by mass gatherings, but the eeeeeeevil oil & gas industry needs to die due to Covid panic.

Zero logic to the media - induced scare tactics.

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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 14:02:36

Tom wrote:
- If oil & gas are running out, won't the oil & gas pipelines run out of oil & gas to transport?

- If oil & gas are running out, why on earth would there still be a need for expansion of oil & gas pipeline infrastructure?


Hey, I'm not versed in the oil and gas industry and even I know the answer to these questions.

1. Our population is still increasing and moving to places more geographically dispersed. Not good for the environment.
2. Oil and gas are running out, but in our desperation, we are digging up more low net energy stuff in areas more difficult to reach.

See, that wasn't so hard to fathom.
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Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 14:09:19

Tom Kirkman wrote:
asg70 wrote:
Tom Kirkman wrote:I'm also pro - environment
I am proudly pro - oil & gas, and refuse to apologize for being pro - oil & gas and pro - Trump.

Seriously, cognitive dissonance is a disease.


Being pro - environment and pro - oil & gas are not mutually exclusive.

Are you anti-science as well as being anti-MSM?

Facts matter.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Unread postby jedrider » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 14:09:41

I do have this suspicion that what we are doing to get at this low net energy oil is degrading our environment even faster. However, one doesn't have to think very hard to realize that this is our modus operandi all along. The future is discounted and capitalism is telling us what to do rather than us pondering what would be best for us.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby Tom Kirkman » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 14:34:40

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Tom Kirkman wrote:
asg70 wrote:
Tom Kirkman wrote:I'm also pro - environment
I am proudly pro - oil & gas, and refuse to apologize for being pro - oil & gas and pro - Trump.

Seriously, cognitive dissonance is a disease.


Being pro - environment and pro - oil & gas are not mutually exclusive.

Are you anti-science as well as being anti-MSM?

Facts matter.


If you view Greta Thunberg as promoting "science" then yes.

Because much what is being bandied about in the MSM as climate "science" is nothing short of propaganda. Facts are irrelevant to propaganda.
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Unread postby Ibon » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 15:00:39

Tom,

Whats your view of supporting scaling up nuclear energy around the world and electrifying transportation and thus reducing the carbon footprint keeping the remaining natural gas and oil for non transportation applications like fertilzers, plastics, petrochemicals and reduced ICE uses for the airline industry and heavy machinery like tractors etc.

I have other questions but one at a time :)
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Unread postby jedrider » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 15:38:27

Tom wrote:Because much what is being bandied about in the MSM as climate "science" is nothing short of propaganda. Facts are irrelevant to propaganda.


Well, then, welcome to Peak Oil. You have MUCH to learn. We have some really good climate threads.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 16:41:19

Tom Kirkman wrote:So a question for this specific forum .... [b]if Peak Oil (and Gas) has already arrived.....


There's your problem right there.

Peak Oil hasn't arrived yet. Its not very hard to figure out either....you just have to look at global oil production numbers.

Since global oil production is still going up, we're not at peak oil.

Glad to help.

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Unread postby AdamB » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 16:53:12

Tom Kirkman wrote:So a question for this specific forum .... if Peak Oil (and Gas) has already arrived, then why is environmental legislation still used as a sledgehammer by the far left to actively *block expansion* of oil & gas pipelines?


According to peak oilers, global peak oil has variously arrived in 1990, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015 and late 2018, if memory serves.

So to the geologically challenged, it is the doomer gift that keeps on giving!

Peak oil nuttery has nothing to do with political affiliation, newby.
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Unread postby ralfy » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 20:33:10

Peak oil isn't about running out of oil but production reaching a peak due to various reasons, but generally gravity and physical limitations. There are several effects, and some may take place even before production peaks, such as lower energy returns, a peak in discoveries, and so on.

There is expansion because industrialized civilization is heavily dependent on oil. Most of the world population needs it because it is still industrializing.

Not just the far left but scientists know about the effects of using oil on not only climate but also the environment. They can't do anything about decreasing oil production because there the world needs more energy such that even oil and gas use aren't enough. Meanwhile, energy returns for oil, gas, etc., are low because of limits to growth.

What's usually reported by media are what's technically recoverable, and this applies across the board. In reality, only a fraction is economically feasible for use by a global economy that is capitalist and competitive, meaning it requires ever-increasing amounts of energy and material resources.

All of these points explain why various groups and agencies, from multinational banks to insurers to military and intelligence organizations, have been writing reports for clients and personnel warning about the effects of not just peak oil but also climate change, both contributing to limits to growth, which in turn will lead to societal crises.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 20:45:04

Plantagenet wrote:
Tom Kirkman wrote:So a question for this specific forum .... [b]if Peak Oil (and Gas) has already arrived.....


There's your problem right there.

Peak Oil hasn't arrived yet. Its not very hard to figure out either....you just have to look at global oil production numbers.

Since global oil production is still going up, we're not at peak oil.

Glad to help.

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The reason we aren’t at peak is because of what they’ve done to squeeze out more production. It’s like squeezing your dick to make it an inch longer.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 20:46:02

Armageddon wrote: squeezing .... dick to make it an inch longer.


Please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.
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Unread postby jedrider » Mon 29 Jun 2020, 22:51:05

Plantagenet wrote:
Armageddon wrote: squeezing .... dick to make it an inch longer.


Please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.


But that conveyed the 'pain' and the 'reward' so well.
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Unread postby asg70 » Tue 30 Jun 2020, 07:45:43

Tom Kirkman wrote:If you view Greta Thunberg as promoting "science" then yes.
Because much what is being bandied about in the MSM as climate "science" is nothing short of propaganda. Facts are irrelevant to propaganda.


The intersection point of science and politics is about consequences.

If you try to explain to someone that if you run a car in an enclosed room you'll die of carbon monoxide poisoning, that's science. If you then say maybe people shouldn't run cars in enclosed rooms, then it becomes politics because you are trying to influence behavior. A reasonable person would understand why one might lead to the other and find a hard time rationalizing deliberate suicide. Well, the same is true of macro-level pollution as well.

There is really no way to reconcile being pro fossil fuels with being an environmentalist in any reasonable definition of the term. I shouldn't even have to point this out other than the fact that in today's clown world everyone seems to be in some shape or form, going mad.

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Unread postby mousepad » Tue 30 Jun 2020, 08:41:31

asg70 wrote:
The intersection point of science and politics is about consequences.
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But what if those consequences are not relevant for some, or they are too far out to be relevant?
I hope you're not claiming to be the arbiter of what is relevant and what's not.
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Re: If Peak Oil has already arrived, why aren't pipelines em

Unread postby dirtyharry » Tue 30 Jun 2020, 11:58:29

The answer Mr Kirkman is very simple . Peak oil is the point of maximum production ,it is not about zero production . As of this date the peak was Nov 2018 . Forecasters say peak will be 2025 or so . I have my doubts .
As to why pipelines are full again a simple explanation , peak oil is a gradual decline in production and not an absolute collapse of production ,further worldwide pipeline capacity is less than the production at peak and that is why oil is also carted by rail . Let us pray that the pipelines stay full because if they aren^t we can start singing
^hallelujah^.
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