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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby asg70 » Fri 22 May 2020, 08:59:05

shortonoil wrote:Now that we have definite empirical proof that the Virus is no more dangerous than the common flue[sic], then one would have to ask; why is China back to implementing lockdowns?


Because it is more dangerous than the common "flue". No need to construct a conspiracy theory to justify your false reading of the situation.

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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby C8 » Fri 22 May 2020, 15:47:28

FWIW- I think China is still rising.

Its easy to focus on the here and now, but Covid will pass and the same trends that have been benefiting China before this event will still be powering its rise afterwards:

They have a giant population which is getting very educated and going high tech (America's education system is getting less rigorous)

They have an incredibly future focused govt. with total power to implement its long range plans plans (America can only see 3 months ahead to the nest corporate quarterly report)

They can't be taken over from the outside (the US govt. is controlled by Wall street cash and China is gaining control over these corporations, and thus the US govt- which is becoming a puppet)

They are establishing a belt and road empire w/o war (the US drains itself in useless wars)

Their empire infrastructure projects allow them to gain raw materials and control over the transportation and manufacturing system of many nations- gaining colonies. (the US gives aid away without gaining control over assets)

They are acquiring a large number of allies to gain power over the UN, EU, and key nations. they seem to understand how to work with authoritarian govts. better than we do.(the US is losing international support)

They can order their population to increase (many nations are in terminal decline: Germany, Japan, Russia, etc.)

China is a fascist nation, as should be obvious to anyone who understands types of govt. Most of the world is trending fascist. We like to think of democracy as the best system, and it is- but it may not be the hardiest for the long haul. Democracies lead to rampant individualism, consumerism, hedonism and a loss of toughness- the wild over-reaction to Covid has nailed this last point home.

Mussolini saw it all. He saw monarchy, democracy and collapse. He was a very flawed person who made very bad choices. Il Duce's govt. didn't match well with his people' culture- they were not Romans, but Italians. Still, he did have insights from seeing so many types of govt. in the world at once and predicted fascism was the future. He might have been only a little ahead of his time.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 22 May 2020, 15:56:29

C8 wrote:FWIW- I think China is still rising.....

China is a fascist nation, as should be obvious to anyone who understands types of govt. Most of the world is trending fascist. We like to think of democracy as the best system, and it is- but it may not be the hardiest for the long haul. Democracies lead to rampant individualism, consumerism, hedonism and a loss of toughness- the wild over-reaction to Covid has nailed this last point home.

Mussolini saw it all. He saw monarchy, democracy and collapse. He was a very flawed person who made very bad choices. Il Duce's govt. didn't match well with his people' culture- they were not Romans, but Italians. Still, he did have insights from seeing so many types of govt. in the world at once and predicted fascism was the future. He might have been only a little ahead of his time.


I agree with you that China is a fascist nation, but I don't see this as a strength. On the contrary, It is a severe weakness.

Fascist government like China can't tolerate any dissent. Thats why China silenced the hero doctors who were trying to warn people about the virus in Wuhan. They simply had no mechanism to to absorb any kind of criticism or dissent from the regime. This means when something goes wrong, like a pandemic or a leader who is incompetent or crazy or blood-thirsty, there is no mechanism within China to correct the problem.

Eventually China will get a crazy or incompetent dictator and that dictator will overstep, and things will go south from there. In fact the current leader of China, Xi, has proven himself to be remarkably incompetent as well as very authoritarian. Thats a bad combination.......and things in China aren't going very well right now,

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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Fri 22 May 2020, 16:42:48

Plantagenet wrote:[
Fascist government like China can't tolerate any dissent. Thats why China silenced the hero doctors who were trying to warn people about the virus in Wuhan. They simply had no mechanism to to absorb any kind of criticism or dissent from the regime. This means when something goes wrong, like a pandemic or a leader who is incompetent or crazy or blood-thirsty, there is no mechanism within China to correct the problem.

Eventually China will get a crazy or incompetent dictator and that dictator will overstep, and things will go south from there. In fact the current leader of China, Xi, has proven himself to be remarkably incompetent as well as very authoritarian. Thats a bad combination.......and things in China aren't going very well right now,

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My manager is Chinese, born in Canada with parents who came to Canada from China. He pointed out that many of the Chinese leadership have training in the Sciences or Engineering. In Canada and the USA, very few politicians have a Science or Engineering background -- what we tend to get as politicians is a bunch of fucking lawyers. I would agree with him that people with a Science/Engineering background can more effectively run a country but at the same time he isn't a big fan of the Chinese government due to its authoritarian nature.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 22 May 2020, 16:43:36

asg70 wrote:
shortonoil wrote:Now that we have definite empirical proof that the Virus is no more dangerous than the common flue[sic], then one would have to ask; why is China back to implementing lockdowns?


Because it is more dangerous than the common "flue". No need to construct a conspiracy theory to justify your false reading of the situation.

Paying attention to actual facts if they don't meet his screwed up belief system is something that shorty just doesn't do. Endlessly. Which is why I only see his nonsense now when someone quotes it.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 22 May 2020, 16:46:44

C8 wrote:FWIW- I think China is still rising.

Its easy to focus on the here and now, but Covid will pass and the same trends that have been benefiting China before this event will still be powering its rise afterwards:

They have a giant population which is getting very educated and going high tech (America's education system is getting less rigorous)

Yup, just because they are far from perfect, or even have glaring weaknesses in a variety of areas doesn't mean they're finished, by ANY means. It just means they are less likely to become completely dominant, or to rise as quickly.

Many people on this site seem to think things are generally all or none, despite the huge amount of evidence through much of history that re big complex things like countries or societies, that is rarely the case.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 22 May 2020, 16:52:00

Azothius wrote:But if Greenland is not purchased and/or mined for rare earths, or other sources are not developed, then China (who currently produces 95% of the worlds rare earths) continues to hold the rare earth card. And this entire supposed scheme falls apart.

No, they don't.

There are huge amounts of rare earths in the pacific ocean, for example. And in the sea of Japan. 60 minutes did a piece awhile back on how a whole host of companies with country backing are massively preparing tech. to exploit such rare earths on the bottom of the Pacific within a few years.

Plus, NOW that they're more expensive re wider appreciation for their value, the trend is to find a lot more of these (no surprise there).

China has a big advantage currently. However, things change.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 22 May 2020, 16:58:45

shortonoil wrote:
Plant said: China is starting a second wave of the Wuhan virus. So far they have locked down over 100 million people for the second time.

over-100-million-in-china-s-northeast-thrown-back-under-lockdown

When it comes to lockdowns China is definitely the tops in the world........ Nobody does lockdowns like China does lockdowns.


Now that we have definite empirical proof that the Virus is no more dangerous than the common flue, then one would have to ask; why is China back to implementing lockdowns? Obviously, the CCP is concerned about something, and if it is not a rampaging killer bug it almost has to be serious social unrest. It looks like China is on the verge of coming unglued. China's almost hysterical recent attempt at taking over Hong Kong, at the expensive of losing it main conduit to foreign capital, and foreign currency flows is a sure sign that it intends to go completely internal. Actions speak louder than words, and these action are screaming China is in big trouble.


China’s reaction has bothered me from the beginning. If we dig waaaaay back to when this just started I noted that China was refusing contracted CNG (LNG?) deliveries the week BEFORE the virus. Then they tried to use force majure to break the Contracts.

But also I think it’s very interesting that the country that first came in contact with the virus had the best response to it. Very curious. And, if is has a little lethality as demonstrated, in Asia if not Europe, then why did they freak and lock down? Of all governments China has historically had the least concern for its own population. So why would the lockdown to save people? It is much out of character.

My gut reaction back then was, something else is going on that is slowing output and they are using the virus to cover it up.

On another line of thought China has some great difficulties ahead. It’s true it’s buying influence in the UN, I see clear evidence of that here in the Caribbean. Maybe the US ignore it assuming the ylcan buy the influence back when needed?

China’s fundamental problem is they have very little arable land for their population. India has almost the same population and 4 times the arable land. It ironic but China is not in the same situation as the UK at the outbreak of WWI, they are a workshop that can’t feed their population. They desperately need Russian food and fuel. How the Russians feel about that I don’t know.

China is likely facing decreasing internal wealth, a decreasing standard of living. The people won’t like that. So China is implementing the “social credit score” and riding it out in the back of the virus. They need to be able to control their population so th at if things turn poorly they don’t have an uprising.

In short China is feeling pressed on several fronts. Food, Fuel, population, the need to export to a depressed world, and a populous and resource rich neighbor, the death of globalism, rise of AI.

How China weathers these challenges will be interesting to watch. I not making any predictions on the outcome, just observing. Lots at play here.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby C8 » Sat 23 May 2020, 02:01:57

I think China is addressing those resource issues quite well by taking over parts of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Japan has shown that a nation low on natural resources can do quite well with getting them in world trade. China is giving the tech to prop up dictators everywhere in return for control over their colonies infrastructure and resources. China understands that military assistance is more valuable than raw trade- AND they make the stuff those nations need anyway.

China is not stupid about nuclear power like Europe or the US, they are expanding their energy portfolio aggressively to "all of the above". While Greens pressure advanced Western nations to commit energy (and economic) suicide by renewable mandates, China will have the cheapest electricity. In 25 years it will be China which is energy independent and they will also be in control of most of the Middle East and Nigeria for oil.

China is not in as much danger of getting a bad leader as you might imagine Plant. Their culture is very suited to running things by committee- which produces generally better decisions. Modern fascism is not based around one strong man as in Mussolini days- it is a dictatorial elite that debate among themselves.

But the strongest thing China has got going for it is the certain collapse of the United States. Americans no longer have the character to maintain a powerful nation. We are ignorant, not willing to study or sacrifice, eating and drugging ourselves to death, and scared of anything the media puts before our eyes. This is a nation at war with itself and easily controlled by outside powers. The Covid scare has laid bare just how fearful and broken the West has become. Debate has ended and all decisions are imposed on the masses. Europe is even farther down the path, groveling before the nation that began the epidemic.

The decline of the US is the inevitable long term effect of democracy. Democracy is inherently destructive to character in the long run. It breeds a type of person who becomes a consumer rather than a citizen, a person obsessed with his own rights but dismissive of his responsibilities. It leads to self indulgence, division, alienation, and short term thinking (the next election). The Covid related economic suicide of the US is the act of a nation that no longer believes it has a future- it is a true suicide.

The US cannot become a fascist nation as it is too multicultural. Fascism involves extreme patriotism in order to justify sacrifice by individuals. The Chinese are sacrificing for "the Han" and feel pride in their nation's ascendance. The more multi-cultural a nation becomes the less patriotic it becomes. US immigration in the 1900's disguised this to some extent because the new arrivals from Europe could so easily discard their heritage and blend into the mainstream white culture. Today's immigrants cannot do this and will always feel less patriotism. Anyway, the left controls education which is mainly anti-american so its a moot point- no fascism here- just foreign puppet controlled democracy.

The destiny of the US is to become a vassal of China. The eventual demographic-based dominance of the Democratic party will allow China to have much control over our policy, media, etc. America's money based election system is easily bought by outsiders funneling money through our corporations. Google and Facebook are working with fascist nations now to control the internet and are succeeding. They will bring back and deploy that technology to shut down viewpoints critical of China here as well.

Americans will be diverted by endless ethnic conflicts stirred up by politicians and the media. Identity politics will hide the takeover of the nation. Crime and corruption will flourish as institutions wither. Today's youth have so little education and interest in learning that they will have a hard time just keeping America from falling apart.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby dirtyharry » Sat 23 May 2020, 04:37:24

Both China and USA are headed in the direction of collapse . Why China ? I have already enumerated that in an earlier post . However I missed the elephant in the room which is overpopulation or overshoot ,call it what you may . Too many people for a finite sum of resources . Globalisation is over and there is only so much you can plunder from far of lands .
As to the US it is hubris,corruption ,too good for too long which has made the people soft, obesity epidemic ,identity politics ,financialisation, decay in all spheres of life and collapse of the pillars of society viz . education, judiciary ,executive,family etc etc . Of course the end of globalization also means the end of plunder from distant lands to maintain your lifestyle . The US has the largest trade deficit in the world which means it is living of the credit card called ^ reserve currency^ or petro dollar . Well ,life is a party ,but all parties come to an end .
Last , I learnt early ^ A small hole can sink a big ship ^ . Both USA and China don^t have small holes ,they have craters . The only questions are ^when^ and who will hit the wall first .
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 23 May 2020, 08:20:47

Dirtyharry wrote:


Last , I learnt early ^ A small hole can sink a big ship ^ . Both USA and China don^t have small holes ,they have craters . The only questions are ^when^ and who will hit the wall first .


Or they could go down together.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby dirtyharry » Sat 23 May 2020, 12:51:05

Newfie wrote:Dirtyharry wrote:


Last , I learnt early ^ A small hole can sink a big ship ^ . Both USA and China don^t have small holes ,they have craters . The only questions are ^when^ and who will hit the wall first .

A good thought. Possible ,both could go down together . If I was a betting man I would bet on USA loosing . Why ? The most popular game in China is GO or Mahjong ,in the USA it is probably Virtual Car Theft or some version of Mad Max . In China the popular book is ^The Art of War ^ by Sun Tzu ,in USA it is ^Atlas Shrugged ^ . The Chinese leadership is composed of engineers and scientists ,in the USA it is lawyers . Take your pick ? Who will make a rational decision ?
Disclaimer: Actually in China the most read book is Mao Tse Tungs ^ Red Book ^ because that is mandatory reading by CCP .

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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 23 May 2020, 17:31:56

dirtyharry wrote: The Chinese leadership is composed of engineers and scientists ,in the USA it is lawyers . Take your pick ? Who will make a rational decision ?


The USA will inevitably make the wrong decision. IN fact, in WWII a popular saying amoung the Brits was "the United States will always do right thing.....after they do all the wrong things first." And thats the point.....in an open society people criticize the leadership until problems are corrected and the leadership gets changed and the right decisions are in place.

In contrast in China, because it is an authoritarian dictatorship, there is no room for dissent or criticism of the leadership. When a leader makes an idiotic decision, as Mao did when he purged China's intelligencia during the cultural revolution or as XI and the CCP did when they tried to cover up the outbreak of the Wuhan virus in China, there is no way to make the leadership change course. Even when highly respected doctors come forward to complain about idiotic government policies toward an emerging deadly pandemic, as happened in Wuhan, the leaders will arrest them and torture and force them to admit to nonexistent crimes before the leadership will change course.

The bottom line is that no one is perfect...not the Chinese leaders and not US leaders.

But at least in American there is no delusion that our leadership is perfect. In fact, there is constant criticism of the leadership and constant examination of alternative courses of action.

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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 24 May 2020, 02:56:56

China's greatest test will be keeping its unemployed calm ,its also going to be the US's greatest problem too.
China can find new customers for its products internally by lifting its standard of living the US cant/wont as theres too much blow back
A second wave in the US will be catastrophic,it appears like the Chinese may have it under control with the first day of zero new cases.
China will have the economic head start to continue its game of influence and belt and road expansion.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby dirtyharry » Sun 24 May 2020, 03:54:47

Shaved Monkey wrote:China's greatest test will be keeping its unemployed calm ,its also going to be the US's greatest problem too.
China can find new customers for its products internally by lifting its standard of living the US cant/wont as theres too much blow back
A second wave in the US will be catastrophic,it appears like the Chinese may have it under control with the first day of zero new cases.
China will have the economic head start to continue its game of influence and belt and road expansion.

Unemployment is going to be a worldwide problem . ILO has indicated 1.6 billion by the end of 2020 to be without work . I can confirm that in India alone 400/450 million are jobless . Mostly daily wagers with no income . Starvation is occurring and videos appear in media of people eating grass ,leaves even recently a man eating a dead dog . Caloric intake of a male is about 1400 calories because of affordability ,instead of 2000 calories .
But back to China and USA . China you are correct will work to lift up domestic consumption and I have pointed that out in my earlier post , however OBOR is dead . That will not restart ,not enough resources to complete it . Maximum they will complete the China/Pakistan leg because from a geopolitical angle it is important for China to have access to Ghawadar port(Karachi) which will allow them to take a gas line from Iran to China in parallel to the Karakorum highway .
The USA is also going to go thru an economic upheaval as the jobs are not going to come back . The wheels will be wobbly when PPP runs out and fall off sometime in September or later when the aid given to the airlines runs out .
Returning to the world , travel and tourism is a $ 17.8 Trillion industry employing 380 million worldwide . 1 in 6 in Thailand ,Greece and Turkey is connected with the industry .1 in 10 in Egypt ,Morocco and Tunisia . This is one sector of the economic system that is not coming back . Watch out below ,this will be a hard landing .
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 24 May 2020, 09:08:27

To take a rather dark view of this one could argue that all those Unemployed people are unneeded people. Perhaps we will see governments starting steps to reduce population?

Could this be peak population? Not from the virus per se, but the knock on effects.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 24 May 2020, 11:09:10

Shaved wrote: A second wave in the US will be catastrophic,it appears like the Chinese may have it under control with the first day of zero new cases.


Chance are there won't be a second wave because there hasn't been a first. The hospitals are empty, there are no bodies in the streets, and no more people died this this year during flu season than last. This has been a monumental Hoax, and anyone who believes that we have seen a killer pandemic is viewing the situation completely through a media constructed illusion. Out in the real world, there is no pandemic.

harry wrote: Returning to the world , travel and tourism is a $ 17.8 Trillion industry employing 380 million worldwide . 1 in 6 in Thailand ,Greece and Turkey is connected with the industry .1 in 10 in Egypt ,Morocco and Tunisia . This is one sector of the economic system that is not coming back . Watch out below ,this will be a hard landing.


Tourism is not coming back because no one has any money. The same can be said for the airlines, the auto industry, commercial real estate, and about everything else. China had failed long before the Kung Flu emerged. It was a gigantic Ponzi scheme to lift the life styles of 1.4 billion people to Western standards that did not, and could not work. They destroyed their old way of life for modernization because the Chinese people agreed that they didn't care how the CCP accomplished it as long as it made them rich. They now have no potable water, no arable land, and no breathable air. China is now totally FUBARed, and if the Kung Flu hadn't come along the CCP would have had to invented it.

It now seems to be the most convenient explanation for the collapse of everything. The entire world was running out of resources, running out of money, and running out of time. The PTB pulled the plug because the end of the game had arrived, and they didn't plan on taking the blame for 200 years of gross mismanagement. They also figured that they may as well grab everything that was left over on the way down. China is headed for oblivion, and the rest of the world a depression that will never end.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 24 May 2020, 16:49:29

Sounds a lot like Limits to Growth.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby bochen777 » Sun 24 May 2020, 18:56:05

https://forum.ascendchina.ch/t/americas ... e-world/64


I understand and appreciate that traditionally and historically empires have risen and fallen, its all part of the cycle… but I think we are in the middle of the 4th (and final) industrial revolution, the age of AI. As DeepMind (Google/CIA owned) CEO once said, the goal is to solve AI so that we can then use AI to solve everything else… by solving AI he was referring to creating an Artificial General Intelligence capable of making itself even more smarter with no human interventions, as you can imagine, that would be mankind’s last and final invention… biological life in comparison is fragile, and if intelligent life will roam the stars and the galaxy it will have to be that of artificial intelligence. The first nation to invent the first time machine will conquer all of history forever… likewise the first nation to master and dominant AI will basically stay on top., forever. This is why the tech fight of 5G/AI is to very important and why America is willing to do whatever it takes, COVID included, to reverse the tide and make sure China stays down for good….

But if we get into a WWIII and instead of going to some Omega Point Singularity we instead recess back to Olduvai Gorge then humanity will never have a second chance again, the low hanging fruit, abundance sweet surface crude, and all the resources that once existed that civilization used to bootstrap itself up the tech chain won’t exists to support a second attempt from scratch…
So what is meant by long term? China has 5,000+ year history, sure, but that might as well been five years for all the difference that makes. Its not meaningfully indictative of anything and surely is not a predictor of much. China has made more process in the last 50 years than all the previous 5,000 years combined…

While I’d like to think that China covertly returned fire against the CIA biovirus COVID that America released in Wuhan, the fact that China didn’t even prepare for the TSMC ban made me think that everything even right now is going exactly according to USA’s plan.

Take that as the given, that COVID was an American false flag operation planted in Wuhan by CIA to frame China and smear China on the world stage AND that even the high infection counts in the homeland CONUS including the almost 100k deaths are/were still somehow all part of the greater plan, then work backwards and extrapolate and find, deduce or infer the reasons why US government would want to have #1 in worldwide COVID deaths/infections resulting in several months shutdown?!
I think it was all designed to set China up for the fall, to get the America public so enraged as to accept an upcoming war on China, and also as pretext to invalidate all debts owned by China, to cease all Chinese assets in the US, to continue the escalation of “containment” of China on all fronts, to fight China in the SCS and maybe even as justification and rationale to do a thermonuclear first strike in order to take out all of China out in one go…

After all, like Trump says, what do you have to lose?

Not only is the world truly zero-sum at the global macro level, it is an ever shrinking zero-sum. Imagine you were an alien-being living in some hypothetical 3-D lattice that surrounds you in every direction and is infinite in x, y, z direction. Now imagine every X increment unit direction there is an energy nugget E, and this pattern repeats forever. So in this universe system there is infinite energy, infinite energy source. But if X is large enough and E is small enough, you would still starve to death if it took you longer to procure and process each additional increment of energy than the that of the useable energy that can be extracted from this process. If earth was a flat 2D plane that extended infinite all directions and there was a small peanut every mile in all directions, you would still starve to death, even through infinite energy existed.

This is all about EROEI (net Energy Returned on Energy Invested) and the fact that modern civilization is predicated upon a very high threshold of EROEI in order to be sustained long term in the aggregate. If the body loses just a few percentage points of water you already start feeling thirsty… All it takes is a loss of 20% body water and you are dead, even though by weight the human body is basically 70% water. You don’t have to run down to the last drop of water before you die, likewise none of the renewable sources of energy globally added together would ever be able to sustain the sort of fabric of modern civilization which requires the sort of high energy density EROEI that only fossil fuels and other hydrocarbons can afford us today.

A gallon of gas is same energy content as six weeks of natural human muscle labor. Even at US min wage, the lowest wage earners of society yields hundreds of more times of energy than that of kings in the past, indeed its calculated that the average American commands something like 80 to 120 energy slaves (similar concept of comparing cars to horsepower) and without cheap and abundant energy in the form of hydrocarbons this comes to an abrupt end real quick…

All the low hanging fruit is gone. It took billions of years for the fossil fuels to accumulate underneath the earth through the natural processes yet humankind has burned/used over half of it within 150 years since the industrial revolution. Civilization couldn’t bootstrap itself again because the conditions don’t exists anymore, all the easy to obtain things that were required to go from hunter gathers to advanced civilization have been used up… Heck, these days we cannot even make a computer processor without using another computer processor, nor can be code a compiler without using another compiler!
It is easier to destroy than it is to build. America adopts the scorched earth policy and that gives it the asymmetric advantage against China that China cannot ever overcome.

The CIA biovirus was also meant to create the sort of artificial demand destruction to allow US to restructure itself, bring chip making back onshore and cutting both China and Taiwan off from state of the art EUV, thus giving US the decisive edge in 5G/6G (the network/comms) and also AI /deep learning/ machine learning (the brains) and put together this allows US to master the future of IoT with true AGI, (see Google DeepMind) which means US will localize its own supply chain, outsourcing and offshoring is thing of the past, no need to feed the mouths of third world countries when everything is reduced to mere electric costs of running the sub <3nm AI chipsets, UBI will be a thing for all Americans, and this sort of efficiency is the only way forward to continue to maintain “Growth” and recapture the American way of life (standard of living) by starving off the rest of the world (America First is actually America Only) so as to afford the US enough lead-time to figure out fusion and other exotic matters before we slide down the slippery slope of Olduvai Gorge and end up as a scaled up version of Easter Island…

I’m seeing this whole “the rich are getting richer” theme a lot, and while it is true, it misses the point. Wealth inequality is merely one of the symptoms of the much bigger underlining problem, it is not the cause of it! Spreading the wealth more evenly will not fix the issues at hand! When the human body starts running low on fuel it eats away at the fat first, then it cannibalizes the muscles and then non-vital organs sparing the brain and heart. As a society falls apart its a natural inevitable consequence that the poor will get marginalized even more and protecting the structure is more important than ensuring equality.

It is all about recapturing efficiencies by any other means, and using income inequality for the purposes of doing top-down constraining of consumption rates. Super duper rich people need less than <1% of their income for survival and the rest of 99%+ is total discretionary income in which they do not spend and is saved up “invested” somewhere… this means its not actualized as actual goods and resources and its a hidden means of constraining resource spending by funneling it into the pockets of the super-rich. When the majority of paper money and fake wealth is allocated as digit bits on a servers in the hands of the top 0.01%, it actually is a “lock” or cap/quota on resource extraction/ capture/ expenditure, and actually slows down resource depletion! If instead the paper wealth was redistributed to the poor more evenly, then you will see much more of it being actualized and spent since the majority of the poor have very little to no discretionary spending power and all of it goes towards survival and basic needs…

Any system that is falling apart will always have more and more income inequality because that is the only way it can even keep holding it together anymore… it is the process of cannibalization at work!

I believe COVID-19 was NOT a CIA false-flag “gone wrong”, or some form of “inside job” that got out of control. COVID was an American false flag operation planted in Wuhan by CIA to frame China and smear China on the world stage AND that even the high infection counts in the homeland CONUS including the almost 100k deaths are/were still somehow all part of the greater plan, then work backwards and extrapolate and find, deduce or infer the reasons why US government would want to have #1 in worldwide COVID deaths/infections resulting in several months shutdown?!:

It is also a way for the US elite to consolidate power and restructure the future of America in which the so-called Nonnegotiable American Way of Life (high living standards propped up by the rest of the world via Petrodollar hegemony) will have to be re-negotiated one way or another and this event serves as merely one way to subconsciously desensitize the American people to a “new normal”, (while putting the blame on China) one in which America and Americans will have to share the ever shrinking pie with the rest of the multilateral world order and in which the US government will have to manage its own decline whilst also managing – the ever lowering/lowered – expectations of its own people back in the homeland.

When the US government starts treating its own people like the way it treats the populations of its vassals, puppet regimes, occupied territories and other colonies etc then that is when you know the cannibalization has already started and the decline has entered its final stages. When the going was good they threw some bones to the middle class, but now that America is in full decline it cannot even afford to treat its own people right and have to start cannibalizing and consolidating from within just to survive.
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Re: China is finished... This is the End of China

Unread postby dissident » Sun 24 May 2020, 20:32:52

China should not waste effort to invest in dinosaur IC production technology. Semiconductor electronics for ICs is a dead end since the 7 nm scale is already here and the problems will start becoming exponentially worse with any lithography scale reduction. Around 3 nm the concept of a trace begins to lose meaning. You are leaving the material continuum limit and entering the molecular cluster limit. If parasitic currents are an issue at 7 nm, they are a show stopper at 3 nm. No amount of existing tricks such as SOI will save the day.

The future is photonics and in particular polariton (liquid light) photonics. Recent research has shown that polariton transistors made from organic materials operate reliably at room temperatures. One of the key features of photonics is much lower energy use and modern computer centers are becoming seriously limited by electrical demand and costs.
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