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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby diemos » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 10:52:15

shortonoil wrote:Just like every other year during flu season, but let's all panic.


Umm... When was the last time the ERs were overflowing and they were setting up makeshift morgues during flu season?
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 11:01:46

diemos wrote:
shortonoil wrote:Just like every other year during flu season, but let's all panic.


Umm... When was the last time the ERs were overflowing and they were setting up makeshift morgues during flu season?

okay about 37,000 cases in NY of those so far only 385 have died. By many accounts most will not even require hospitalization. So that is a .01 death rate! And that is by far the hardest hit State NY
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 11:03:07

"Pompeo's three sins in global virus fight"
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1183908.shtml

The current US government is most likely the worst it has ever had, but it is quite probable, based on past experience, that the next one will be worse still.

The USA has more COVID-19 active cases and daily new infections than any other nation in the world. It is almost certain that it will experience more deaths in April than any other country, too. If you are over 60 years old and live in the USA it is quite possible that you could die of COVID-19 in less than two years, maybe in a month or two. All old and diseased people living in the USA should get their affairs in order before it is too late; you may die soon.

"China bars foreigners from entry amid COVID-19 pandemic"
https://www.rt.com/news/484189-china-ba ... ronavirus/

This is an extremely smart move on China's part since almost all new cases of COVID-19 in China in the past two weeks were imported from abroad. The rule applies to foreigners with residency permits and visas, too.
Congratulations China on another very smart move. China is back to work and decoupling faster every day in many different ways. Next they should expel all foreigners as their visas expire and stop renewing residency permits for all foreigners except those that actually contribute something good to China. Go China!
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby diemos » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 11:17:09

onlooker wrote:So that is a .01 death rate!


Neat! And 0.01 of 350 million people is 3.5 million people.

Under "Business as usual" everyone will be infected. Nobody has encountered this virus before. Nobody has any antibodies for it.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby shortonoil » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 11:33:52

The USA has more COVID-19 active cases and daily new infections than any other nation in the world.


The US had 36 million infections from the 2009 Swine Flu; 20,000 died. This isn't even going to be a bad flu year. Get real. Anyway we don't know how many cases of Kung Flu exists. What we are getting are reports of tests that showed positive, and the test produces up to 50% false positives. They aren't even telling us how many tests have been done, so the data is essentially useless. It's a hoax. Just another PSYOP; the FED needed a few $trillion. Anyway, new cases are declining rapidly. They will be down to almost zero in less than 3 weeks, and then the virus dies out.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 11:36:13

diemos wrote:
onlooker wrote:So that is a .01 death rate!


Neat! And 0.01 of 350 million people is 3.5 million people.

Under "Business as usual" everyone will be infected. Nobody has encountered this virus before. Nobody has any antibodies for it.


Of all the diagnosed closed cases in the world 16% have died and 84% have recovered and been discharged. In the USA the number of active patients is still growing exponentially, and deaths are most likely to grow exponentially, too. It takes time for sick people to die of this, usually weeks; it doesn't happen instantly.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 11:44:48

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 25111.html
Already   NY hospitlization rates are declining for COVID
and this
 https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 11:55:40

onlooker wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-new-york-hospital-cases-today-map-decrease-covid-19-a9425111.html
Already   NY hospitlization rates are declining for COVID
and this
 https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate


According to that article hospitalizations are doubling every 4.7 days at this time in New York, not in less time as before. That is to be expected because the number of hospitalized patients has been growing, too. In absolute numbers, the amount of people requiring hospitalization is still growing exponentially.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby GHung » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 13:17:09

Yikes!

Hospitals across the America could enact do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients against family wishes as the harsh reality of the pandemic hits

-In Chicago, the Northwestern Memorial Hospital has been debating how to implement a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients

-Hospital administrators have asked Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker for assistance in clarifying how state law would permit a policy shift

-Similar discussions around not resuscitating have been taking place at the George Washington University Hospital in D.C

-They've decided, however, to continue using modified procedures to resuscitate patients with coronavirus

-Bioethicist Scott Halpern at the University of Pennsylvania has authored a model guideline that has been heavily circulated by the medical community

-Under Halpern's guidelines, two physicians would be needed to make any calls

-Their joint sign off on do-not-resuscitate orders would have to provide a reasoning for family members
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ients.html
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 13:21:48

GHung wrote:Yikes!

Hospitals across the America could enact do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients against family wishes as the harsh reality of the pandemic hits

-In Chicago, the Northwestern Memorial Hospital has been debating how to implement a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients

-Hospital administrators have asked Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker for assistance in clarifying how state law would permit a policy shift

-Similar discussions around not resuscitating have been taking place at the George Washington University Hospital in D.C

-They've decided, however, to continue using modified procedures to resuscitate patients with coronavirus

-Bioethicist Scott Halpern at the University of Pennsylvania has authored a model guideline that has been heavily circulated by the medical community

-Under Halpern's guidelines, two physicians would be needed to make any calls

-Their joint sign off on do-not-resuscitate orders would have to provide a reasoning for family members
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ients.html

Sadly, Ghung it seems triage is coming into effect in some places
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby bochen777 » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 16:00:21

WELP!!!

America won gold at the COVID Olympics!
From hence forth this will no longer be called the Chinese Virus, but it will be called the CIA VIRUS and the TRUMP PANDEMIC.!

83066++ cases and skyrocketing like a rocketship!!! Such a beautiful rocketship!

Number one!
Muh freedum and Muh democrazy!!
If China was the Sick Man of Asia then America is the Sick Man of the World!
USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

TIRED OF WINNING YET?

WOMP WOMP


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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 16:35:21

And you bochen777 have won the font olympics:
* Giant font for the entire post - check
* Entire post bolded - check
* every line ends with an exclamation point - check

Next you should try making it red, underlined, and blinking. And to really drive home the jackass factor, put some pop-up ads in there too.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby bochen777 » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 17:26:00

kublikhan wrote:And you bochen777 have won the font olympics:
* Giant font for the entire post - check
* Entire post bolded - check
* every line ends with an exclamation point - check

Next you should try making it red, underlined, and blinking. And to really drive home the jackass factor, put some pop-up ads in there too.



I won the font Olympics a long time ago
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby asg70 » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 19:51:07

onlooker wrote:
diemos wrote:
shortonoil wrote:Just like every other year during flu season, but let's all panic.


Umm... When was the last time the ERs were overflowing and they were setting up makeshift morgues during flu season?

okay about 37,000 cases in NY of those so far only 385 have died. By many accounts most will not even require hospitalization. So that is a .01 death rate! And that is by far the hardest hit State NY


So I take it you're back to downplaying mode? You're ridiculous.

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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby asg70 » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 19:59:22

kublikhan wrote:And you bochen777 have won the font olympics


We all know getting a rise out of people is far more important than useful information.

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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 20:05:24

Everything you could possibly want to know about COVID-19 mortality rates, and then some:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 20:25:35

Juan, I've followed that page for 6 weeks. I've never seen such contradictory numbers anywhere & I know they are WHO published. They actually don't make sense, don't match up. Example 3.4% mortality is ALL cases, plainly a stupid extrapolation when all cases includes diagnosis made this morning. The resolved case death rate has jumped from 9% to 14% in a few days. Testing is woefully inadequate. Antibody testing has just begun. The next few weeks as antibody test results pile up should give a much better idea of what's really going on.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 20:47:52

SeaGypsy wrote:Juan, I've followed that page for 6 weeks. I've never seen such contradictory numbers anywhere & I know they are WHO published. They actually don't make sense, don't match up. Example 3.4% mortality is ALL cases, plainly a stupid extrapolation when all cases includes diagnosis made this morning. The resolved case death rate has jumped from 9% to 14% in a few days. Testing is woefully inadequate. Antibody testing has just begun. The next few weeks as antibody test results pile up should give a much better idea of what's really going on.


I totally agree with every point you made. I have been reading that page daily for weeks, too. I read that Iceland is going to do antibodies tests on its whole population (around 320,000) soon. I am very curious to see those results. The resolved case death rate is now at 16%. Antibodies test will definitely give us a better picture. We still ignore much more than we know about the lethality of this virus, but things don't look good.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 21:25:41

Juan, true they don't look good, but the results of mass antibody testing could make the whole situation look much better, or not change. My main reason for thinking peak is likely to be close is based on there being no case of continuing exponential growth in death rates past about 4-5 weeks & I totally do not believe that China has gone to virtually zero new cases via welding people into apartment blocks & using snow machines to spray cities with chemicals.
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Re: Coronavirus biowar US-China prelude war Pt.3

Unread postby diemos » Thu 26 Mar 2020, 21:51:33

Well, it looks like Italy's death curve has reached the inflection point and left the exponential growth region and entered the linear growth region. Coming about 3 weeks after the start of lock down as expected, given the incubation time and mean time to death after symptoms. It'll be interesting to watch the rate at which it falls off.

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