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Tourists are Killing the Planet

Re: Tourists are Killing the Planet

Unread postby clif » Tue 01 Oct 2019, 20:09:54

Your reasoning was that somehow "international" flights meant "private jet" flights.


Please show me where I said EXACTLY that

your trying as usual mix up and make statements that do NOT reflect what others said

BTW many people own private jets not just the people you claim to work for.... which is the reason I used jeffy epstein as an example

You would have serious problems at an airport if you had to figure out the big boards I'm afraid.


Funny i never had any problems whether traveling for the US military nor as a private citizen, so as usual yer "figgering" does not fit reality.

1% of people take 20% of International (commercial and private combined) flights......

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Re: Tourists are Killing the Planet

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Tue 01 Oct 2019, 21:56:27

Please show me where I said EXACTLY that


how about here:
yer also conflating "commercial" flights for holiday vs people who like Jeffery Epstein OWN their plane and can fly at will, which is why the term "international" was used not the term "commercial".


here you are clearing inferring that International is the opposite of commercial. Did you not actually realize that commercial jets fly international flights as well as within the UK? Do you actually think that only private jets fly "international"? But perhaps English is a second language for you.

BTW many people own private jets not just the people you claim to work for.... which is the reason I used jeffy epstein as an example


what is the point of a nonsensical statement like that? Do you have the numbers? Do you actually know how many private flights there were versus regional flights to Europe? Do you have the number of people that entailed? No, apparently not. When you do get back to us.

1% of people take 20% of International (commercial and private combined) flights....


keep saying it, it does nothing to prove your claim although for some weird reason you think it does. If you want to argue with the numbers I posted above go ahead but if you can't bring any data to the discussion and just want to keep repeating yourself please do us all a favor and stop.
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Re: Tourists are Killing the Planet

Unread postby clif » Wed 02 Oct 2019, 00:13:25

here you are clearing inferring that International is the opposite of commercial.


NO I was not.

I was clearly stating the term international was used, so as to not limit the flights counted as JUST commercial flights, but also count private flights also. You always only see what YOU want to see so you can use it to twist others words.

nice to see how you try to FORCE others comments into your strawman arguments so you can be right all the time.

as for all the rest of what you demand others do FOR you, get off yer dead ass and do yer own work.

the guardian stated what they stated and if that burns yer butt,

YOU do all the work to dredge up the needed proof they are wrong,

they still said PLAINLY;

1% of people take 20% of International (commercial and private combined) flights .....
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Re: Tourists are Killing the Planet

Unread postby Ibon » Wed 02 Oct 2019, 03:56:42

Interesting.....

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49890057

The Swedish concept of "flygskam" or "flight shame" appears to be spreading.

One in five of the people surveyed had cut the number of flights they took over the last year because of the impact on the climate.

UBS said the expected growth in passenger numbers could be halved if these trends were borne out.

Global air travel has grown by between 4% and 5% a year, UBS said, meaning the overall numbers are doubling every 15 years.
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Re: Tourists are Killing the Planet

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Wed 02 Oct 2019, 12:36:49

I was clearly stating the term international was used, so as to not limit the flights counted as JUST commercial flights, but also count private flights also.


OK....I hope you understand that makes absolutely zero sense in the context of what you said. Be specific in what you mean...abusing the English language is not something to be proud of.

they still said PLAINLY;

1% of people take 20% of International (commercial and private combined) flights .....


OK apparently you aren't bright enough to understand 1% people taking 20% of international flights does not mean "the very rich who own private jets are taking 20% of all international flights". Show me in that article where it mentions rich people flying on private jets anywhere. It doesn't. You just made this up as a defence of your original claim that "the 1% don't fly in cattle cars". As I said they are not referring to "the 1%" but simply a statistic.

My point is based on direct observation, statistics that I've shown regarding the frequency of total flights and length of stay plus rationale based on the sort of time/benefit costs analysis a normal person who wants to go on regular trips to nice warm spots would do. Yours is based on zero data and an interpretation of the press piece that involves nothing more than a misinterpretation of what was written.

If you can explain how you get from 1% of people taking 20% of International to it meaning that it is rich people taking private planes that makes up all of the 1% of people then have at it. Generally when you propose something you back it up with evidence/data etc. Otherwise, you are simply babbling nonsense.
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