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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby dolanbaker » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 16:54:27

Cheap EV's are finally arriving.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/world-s-most-important-electric-car-unveiled-this-week-and-it-s-not-a-tesla-or-a-vw-1.4013578

World’s most important electric car unveiled this week - and it’s not a Tesla or a VW
At under €8,000 in China the Renault Kwid could have a greater impact in reducing emissions thanks to potential volume sales


Renault might just have launched the most significant car in the modern world, but nobody noticed.

The ultra-budget City K-ZE has just been launched in China and it’s astonishing, even for a brand long known for its EV commitment.

While most EVs are aimed to pull city dwellers out of internal-combustion cars, the City K-ZE is based off lessons Renault learned making its ultra-budget Kwid.

In short, it’s designed to electrify a chunk of the car market that never before bought cars at all, cleaning up awful scooter and motorbike emissions in developing countries.

....

It will use a Tianjin Lishen lithium-ion battery, built in China, with 30kWh of energy capacity, which Renault says is enough for 250km of NEDC-rated driving range between charges. That will probably circle down to towards the 180-200km area on the tougher new WLTP cycle, but it’s still impressive for the money.

It’s not stopping at budget cars for developing markets, either, with a pure BEV version of the small Twingo under development for a 2021 debut.


These vehicles are a real game changer.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby GHung » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 19:31:23

dolanbaker wrote:Cheap EV's are finally arriving.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/world-s-most-important-electric-car-unveiled-this-week-and-it-s-not-a-tesla-or-a-vw-1.4013578

World’s most important electric car unveiled this week - and it’s not a Tesla or a VW
At under €8,000 in China the Renault Kwid could have a greater impact in reducing emissions thanks to potential volume sales


Renault might just have launched the most significant car in the modern world, but nobody noticed.

The ultra-budget City K-ZE has just been launched in China and it’s astonishing, even for a brand long known for its EV commitment.

While most EVs are aimed to pull city dwellers out of internal-combustion cars, the City K-ZE is based off lessons Renault learned making its ultra-budget Kwid.

In short, it’s designed to electrify a chunk of the car market that never before bought cars at all, cleaning up awful scooter and motorbike emissions in developing countries.

....

It will use a Tianjin Lishen lithium-ion battery, built in China, with 30kWh of energy capacity, which Renault says is enough for 250km of NEDC-rated driving range between charges. That will probably circle down to towards the 180-200km area on the tougher new WLTP cycle, but it’s still impressive for the money.

It’s not stopping at budget cars for developing markets, either, with a pure BEV version of the small Twingo under development for a 2021 debut.


These vehicles are a real game changer.


Yep. Renault is way ahead of most big car companies and is focusing on affordability for city cars. Here's a review of the K-ZE from about a year ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S83HM4DZJA
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby kublikhan » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 22:24:53

China already had EV cars in that price and driving range:

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 11 Sep 2019, 23:00:35

You can't really escape the cost of the battery pack. You wind up having to scrimp in every other area to get costs down. Safety, build-quality, creature-comforts, and (worst of all) range. So just looking at the sticker price doesn't tell you much. What people in the developing world might accept as viable transportation is going to be far different from here in the West. Most of these cars are at about where the first-gen leaf was, or maybe even the old Toyota RAV4EVs (just with Lithium instead of NiMh). Given enough time they will move up the food chain to where, let's say, the Bolt is, but they're not there yet. I'm sure Tesla wants to be part of that transition with that factory they're building over there. I'm sure they'll be more forgiving of panel-gaps and paint chips ;)

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby StarvingLion » Sat 14 Sep 2019, 17:20:03

dolanbaker wrote:Cheap EV's are finally arriving.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/world-s-most-important-electric-car-unveiled-this-week-and-it-s-not-a-tesla-or-a-vw-1.4013578

World’s most important electric car unveiled this week - and it’s not a Tesla or a VW
At under €8,000 in China the Renault Kwid could have a greater impact in reducing emissions thanks to potential volume sales


Renault might just have launched the most significant car in the modern world, but nobody noticed.

The ultra-budget City K-ZE has just been launched in China and it’s astonishing, even for a brand long known for its EV commitment.

While most EVs are aimed to pull city dwellers out of internal-combustion cars, the City K-ZE is based off lessons Renault learned making its ultra-budget Kwid.

In short, it’s designed to electrify a chunk of the car market that never before bought cars at all, cleaning up awful scooter and motorbike emissions in developing countries.

....

It will use a Tianjin Lishen lithium-ion battery, built in China, with 30kWh of energy capacity, which Renault says is enough for 250km of NEDC-rated driving range between charges. That will probably circle down to towards the 180-200km area on the tougher new WLTP cycle, but it’s still impressive for the money.

It’s not stopping at budget cars for developing markets, either, with a pure BEV version of the small Twingo under development for a 2021 debut.


These vehicles are a real game changer.


dolenbaker is a genius. Surely that "Renault" (aka not owned by France) puts its label on a chinese car subsidized by cheap oil surely means

"its a game changer"

Its a game changer all right. It further affirms that France is bankrupt and nuclear is irrelevant. Either you can source the oil or else EV's are impossible to own. And America, France, etc cannot source the proper crude oil, can they?

So whats the point of eV's then?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 14 Sep 2019, 20:33:25

StarvingLion wrote:
dolenbaker is a genius. Surely that "Renault" (aka not owned by France) puts its label on a chinese car subsidized by cheap oil surely means

"its a game changer"

Its a game changer all right. It further affirms that France is bankrupt and nuclear is irrelevant. Either you can source the oil or else EV's are impossible to own. And America, France, etc cannot source the proper crude oil, can they?

So whats the point of eV's then?

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 15 Sep 2019, 10:11:24

Outcast_Searcher wrote:Are you capable of posting something meaningful, by chance? Or just empty histrionics?


Just put him on ignore where he belongs.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby StarvingLion » Tue 17 Sep 2019, 12:14:48

Where's the EV that doesn't use lithium and cobalt?

Answer: [crickets]

Where is the electricity to charge them when states cannot afford Shale Gas?

Answer: [crickets]

How can you manufacture EV's of any design when you have no *usable* crude oil or gas to finance operation of plants?

Answer: [crickets]

Conclusion: You're all a bunch of soon-to-be OxCart Drivers who cannot afford a hamburger nevermind an ev
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 17 Sep 2019, 13:13:58

Some education for ya!
StarvingLion wrote:Where's the EV that doesn't use lithium and cobalt?

Answer: crickets

Where is the electricity to charge them when states cannot afford Shale Gas?

Answer: crickets
How can you manufacture EV's of any design when you have no *usable* crude oil or gas to finance operation of plants?

Answer: crickets

Conclusion: You're all a bunch of gizmo clicking peasants who cannot afford a hamburger nevermind an ev
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby asg70 » Thu 19 Sep 2019, 18:16:09

Well, I'd say this is big news. Rivian looks like it's going to have a bright future if it executes better than Tesla did.

(Oh, BTW, Plant, I'll be waiting all the cancer cases of the drivers from all that EMI).

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 9

Unread postby GHung » Thu 19 Sep 2019, 18:28:10

Tesla Model 3 named an IIHS Top Safety Pick+

Tesla’s 2019 Model 3 has finally had its turn undergoing the gantlet of crash tests at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, and the battery-electric sedan has emerged with flying colors, earning a Top Safety Pick+, its first rating from the organization. .....

IIHS said the Model 3’s standard automatic emergency braking system earned a “superior” rating, avoiding collisions in both the 12 mph and 25 mph tests. Its lone available headlights were rated “good,” and it earned good ratings across all six crashworthiness tests, including the driver-side small overlap front crash test, where the organization recorded intrusions of 8 inches at the lower door-hinge pillar, presenting a moderate risk to the driver’s lower leg.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/19/tes ... pick-plus/


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