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The Methane Thread pt. 2

Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Sat 02 Mar 2019, 19:01:57

Still no evidence of any substantial releases one would expect from collapsing seabed permafrost containment.

For now it looks like the CH4 release from deep soil and seabed reservoirs will be slow. But at some stage there will be catastrophic degassing. Just like with land ice sheet retreat. Both Greenland and Antarctica will experience surges of ice loss associated with rapid sea level rise.

Too bad some of this is not happening now. It would help wake up the BAU drones. The current slow transition is lulling the masses into a false sense of security.
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 08:18:08

Dis,

That’s an unpopular position I have to ascribe to. There is a lot of confusion amongst even our own posters here. Most folks want the economy to do well in the short term and support policies that sustain that while at the same time realizing in the long term the economy is killing the planet and this economic model must die. It seems harsh to wish the economy to die or for a auick SLR event.

I think what we are both hoping for is a wake up call. Sometimes called a “learning event.”
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 03 Mar 2019, 09:08:31

I think Dissident will agree that once the oceans start releasing the methane and hydrogen sulfide, they're is NO mitigating or adapting to that, at that point we are toast. In fact, realistically what can we do to prepare for this now? I posit not much. At least with the economic crash, we can take some personal steps to cushion the blow
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 16 Mar 2019, 11:59:29


November 2018: 1867.2 ppb
November 2017: 1858.8 ppb
I should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, write, balance accounts, build a wall, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, cook, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 16 Mar 2019, 12:00:19

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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 13 Apr 2019, 22:31:22


December 2018: 1867.0 ppb
December 2017: 1856.6 ppb
I should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, write, balance accounts, build a wall, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, cook, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby diemos » Sun 14 Apr 2019, 12:11:59

meh.

Methane has an atmospheric half life of seven years. The levels have mostly equilibrated, with methane being destroyed at the same rate at which methane is being released.

https://www.methanelevels.org
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 15 Apr 2019, 16:18:59

How does rising faster indicate equilibrium??

2018 increase in global atmospheric methane levels


NOAA's preliminary figures are for a rise of 10.99ppb in 2018, quite a jump from the 6.89ppb last year.

Biggest jump since 2014. Will give the CO2e increase for the year quite a boost.


https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends_ch4/

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=38992
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby diemos » Tue 16 Apr 2019, 21:26:18

I say again, meh.

10.99 ppb methane is 0.3 ppm CO2e
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Paul B

Unread postby Whitefang » Wed 17 Apr 2019, 04:48:48

meh meh meh...….

https://paulbeckwith.net/

Paul did a few video's on methane, from what I remember the gas is not a simple global mean issue that you can dismiss or focus on but a thing hard to measure as it goes up and up, breaks down and has lots of side effects.
Like average temperature, it is the extremes that count.

Like the Midwest flooding now.

https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/atmo ... rm_t2.html

Example of the various concentrations in the atmosphere

Looking for the video's, maybe better youtube search instead of website.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yo ... &FORM=VIRE

Paul is a chess playing system analist, interested in abrupt CC since a decade or so, his opponent is CC and he is on the lookout for the next move, he looks at every possible angle, of what can happen and what can be done.
Anyway, enjoy the youtube and this will link you to more info and knowledge, what we are after after all :-D
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 13 May 2019, 07:10:25


January 2019: 1866.1 ppb
January 2018: 1854.9 ppb
I should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, write, balance accounts, build a wall, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, cook, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Re: The Methane Thread pt. 2

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 15 May 2019, 12:32:23

Yawn.
Nothing to see here.
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