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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 22:37:23

So Cid has gained some credibility but the doughboy still has none.

The subject of this thread is the ongoing investigation of Exxon-Mobil. Which is rightfully dead in the water, no matter what the media flacks and you two clowns want it to be.

Because the people that burn the fuel are responsible for the emissions from the fuel. People like the doughboy.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 15 Apr 2017, 21:50:31

More thoughts on the general subject:

http://climatestate.com/2013/05/03/fals ... y-ecocide/

False climate change data = a Crime Against Humanity/Ecocide

One does not play games, or take chances, when essentially the whole of civilization and humanity may be in peril.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 15 Apr 2017, 22:20:36

One does not play games, or take chances, when essentially the whole of civilization and humanity may be in peril.
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I have to confess that it irks me some, to hear in some postings that the general population is as guilty as a corporation who knowingly hid critical information about the product it was selling. A product that could potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sun 16 Apr 2017, 09:26:56

onlooker wrote:
One does not play games, or take chances, when essentially the whole of civilization and humanity may be in peril.


I have to confess that it irks me some, to hear in some postings that the general population is as guilty as a corporation who knowingly hid critical information about the product it was selling. A product that could potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event[/quote]

A thousand things could "potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event" and yt you choose to only call out large corporations.

Your own state and federal governments eagerly comit all kinds of offenses as bad or worse as anything Exxon has ever done. In the last century alone they have falsified reports for political gain, inflated the currency to nearly worthless condition, manufactured millions of tons of chemicals that are deadly both by design and merely as a side effect, constructed enough nuclear weapons to destroy civilization and eliminate thousands of species in a flash... I could go on but hopefully you get my point.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 16 Apr 2017, 09:37:22

While your general point is true Sub, I take issue with "A thousand things could "potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event". Also, other than nuclear weapons I see the other offenses by Corporations more akin to the argument which I just made. That is that culpability lies in the masses for accepting and thriving with our Industrial Civilization, so this is part and parcel of the human species trajectory.
However, the issue with Exxon again is of intentionally misleading the Public about AGW. I would also signal out the US govt and Russia and China for their irresponsible nuclear arms race. So, the issue in question is a deceptive and irresponsible attitude that has and is putting the entire human species at risk.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 23 Aug 2017, 07:53:11

ExxonMobil 'Double Speak' On Climate Laid Bare

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ExxonMobil knowingly misled the public for decades about the danger climate change poses to a warming world and the company's long-term viability, according to a peer-reviewed study, released on Wednesday, of research and statements by the US oil giant.

An analysis of nearly 200 documents spanning decades found that four-fifths of scientific studies and internal memos acknowledged global warming is real and caused by humans, while the same proportion of hundreds of paid editorials in major US newspapers over the same period cast deep doubt on these widely accepted facts.

The study, published in the journal Environmental Research Letters, also cites ExxonMobil calculations that capping global warming at under two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit)—the goal enshrined in the landmark Paris climate accord—would impose sharp limits on the amount of fossil fuels that could be burned, and thus potentially affect the firm's growth
"The Harvard research shows systemic bias in sowing public doubt, while acknowledging the risks privately," ... "That is at the heart of the investigations."

"Using social science methods, we found a gaping, systematic discrepancy between what Exxon said about climate change in private and academic circles, and what is said to the public."

As early as 1979, when climate change barely registered as an issue for the public, Exxon was sounding internal alarms.

"The most widely held theory is that... the increase in atmospheric CO2 is due to fossil fuel combustion," an internal memo from that year read.

A peer-reviewed study by Exxon scientists 17 years later concluded that "the body of evidence... now points towards a discernable human influence on global climate."

At the same time, however, the company was spending tens of millions of dollars to place editorials in The New York Times and other influential newspapers that delivered a very different message.

"Let's face it: The science of climate change is too uncertain to mandate a plan of action that could plunge economies into turmoil," Exxon opined in 1997, as the Bill Clinton administration faced overwhelming opposition in Congress to US ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.

Assessing ExxonMobil's climate change communications (1977–2014)
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 20 Jul 2018, 17:25:50

BREAKING: A district court just dismissed New York's climate lawsuit against five big oil companies.

"Global warming and solutions thereto must be addressed by the two other branches of government."

https://mobile.twitter.com/zhirji28/sta ... 5874647058
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 20 Jul 2018, 17:53:13

dohboi wrote:BREAKING: A district court just dismissed New York's climate lawsuit against five big oil companies.

"Global warming and solutions thereto must be addressed by the two other branches of government."

https://mobile.twitter.com/zhirji28/sta ... 5874647058


I don't see why the courts can't rule on climate change. They rule on everything else. What an amazing thing for the judge to say.

Another major lawsuit working its way through the court system from California was also recently tossed out of court, but there are some other lawsuits still in court so this approach isn't dead yet.

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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 20 Jul 2018, 18:02:09

well here is one where the lawsuit has been upheld, so that's good

U.S. loses bid to end children's climate change lawsuit


https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-loses-bid- ... ance.html/
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Cog » Fri 20 Jul 2018, 18:16:12

We want judges to be the arbiter of the law, not forcing their opinions down people's throats. We have too much judicial activism as is. The 9th Circuit is a case in point of judges creating law from the bench. If you want to change the law regarding carbon emissions, then the legislature is where you should seek relief.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 30 Jul 2018, 17:37:12

Maybe the title of the thread could be changed to something like: Legal Paths toward fighting Climate Change...

Supreme Court refuses Trump administration’s request to have climate lawsuit thrown out


A landmark climate case brought against the federal government by 21 children and young adults has survived the highest-level attempt by the Trump administration to block the lawsuit.

On Monday, the Supreme Court unanimously refused to throw out the case, saying it can go ahead as planned. The decision comes after the Justice Department went to the high court earlier this month in a last-ditch effort to have the case thrown out.

The landmark lawsuit, which seeks to compel the government to preserve a clean atmosphere, argues that the government is violating its obligation to future generations by not doing so.

In Monday’s decision — which came less than two weeks after the administration filed its request — the court rejected the administration’s attempt to block any further legal action, stating, “the government’s request for relief is premature and is denied without prejudice.”

In what legal experts have called groundbreaking climate litigation, the lawsuit seeks to hold the federal government accountable for its role in perpetuating climate change. A final decision could shape the future of climate litigation for years to come.

The case can now proceed to trial. It is currently scheduled for October 29 but this date could be pushed depending on how discovery goes...


https://thinkprogress.org/supreme-court ... f4696/amp/
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 10 Jan 2019, 15:30:19

U.S. Supreme Court issues ‘crushing blow’ to Exxon in major climate case


The Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from ExxonMobil regarding Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey’s climate change investigation Monday, a decision legal experts called a “crushing blow” to the oil giant. The Court’s decision could have implications beyond the state of Massachusetts as Exxon is forced to hand over documents detailing what it knew about climate change and when.

After the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled last April that the company must turn over documents requested by Healey, Exxon asked the Supreme Court to intervene, arguing Healey lacked jurisdiction to even bring the investigation.

“Today’s decision means Exxon is out of options and out of time in its fight to keep these documents from public light,” Carroll Muffett, president and chief executive of the Center for International Environmental Law, told ThinkProgress. ...


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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Cog » Thu 10 Jan 2019, 18:01:52

The attorney general is wrong. Why should a corporation be required to reveal what it knows about climate change to the public? Is Exxon in the climate change business? Did the public pay for this information or the research behind it?
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 14:42:25

"Is Exxon in the climate change business"

Well, yes, in fact they pretty much are!

But it's truly heartwarming the poor, benighted multi-national corporations like Exxon have brave knights in white armor like cog to come to their defense. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 15:03:35

dohboi wrote:"Is Exxon in the climate change business"

Well, yes, in fact they pretty much are!

But it's truly heartwarming the poor, benighted multi-national corporations like Exxon have brave knights in white armor like cog to come to their defense. :lol: :lol: :lol:


So don't complain if the government spies on you and finds something you privately learned or wrote down but failed to disclose to the public -- because they retroactively decided that is a crime.

There is a HUGE difference between going after the tobacco companies because they deliberately were making cigarettes more addictive, even while publishing only studies that showed cigarettes don't cause cancer -- and an energy company not disclosing results of research they paid for, WHEN SUCH DISCLOSURE WASN'T REQUIRED BY LAW.

Not that I'd expect you to make such distinctions, given your claims that meat eaters are killing the planet, billionaires are responsible for climate change (as though only they burn FF's), etc.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Cog » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 15:29:27

The left has no concept of rule of law. The end justifies the means.
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