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Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby jawagord » Fri 11 Jan 2019, 12:36:19

Don't be alarmed folks. Cold temperature weather anomalies are "proof" of climate change, how could we have cold temperatures otherwise, it can't be global cooling? High temperatures on the other hand are both "proof" of global warming and climate change! See if you are a believer you can have your cake and eat it too!

Temperatures in Greece have hit record lows and Athens has seen a rare dusting of snow, as deadly winter weather continues to pummel Europe.

Northern Greece saw an all-time low of -23C on Tuesday, which was recorded in the city of Florina, disrupting roads, rail and bus services.


While tourists at the Acropolis were treated to a snow-globe scene on Tuesday, locals had to contend with roads made impassable by ice and many schools were closed in the Athens region.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 19051.html
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 12:43:31

(Note to j: It's called global warming, not 'local warming.' Individual temperature records at specific locations mean next to nothing. But thanks for at least admitting that you believe in thermometers! Now do you believe that most thermometers in most of the globe have been showing mostly higher temperatures over most of the last fifty years? As pretty much everyone who has looked at the thermometer readings have concluded? Including BEST, who actually set out to prove that everyone else was wrong at that the world isn't warming??)
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Tuike » Sun 13 Jan 2019, 15:44:25

derhundistlos wrote:2018 GLOBAL TEMPS. 4TH HIGHEST ON RECORD

Scientists issue dire warning in new study finding last year was likely the hottest on record -thinkprogress
“It is too late to stop serious global warming," warns scientist.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Revi » Mon 14 Jan 2019, 11:01:30

jawagord wrote:Don't be alarmed folks. Cold temperature weather anomalies are "proof" of climate change, how could we have cold temperatures otherwise, it can't be global cooling? High temperatures on the other hand are both "proof" of global warming and climate change! See if you are a believer you can have your cake and eat it too!

Temperatures in Greece have hit record lows and Athens has seen a rare dusting of snow, as deadly winter weather continues to pummel Europe.

Northern Greece saw an all-time low of -23C on Tuesday, which was recorded in the city of Florina, disrupting roads, rail and bus services.


While tourists at the Acropolis were treated to a snow-globe scene on Tuesday, locals had to contend with roads made impassable by ice and many schools were closed in the Athens region.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 19051.html


When I visited Greece in the early 2000's they had just had a major snowstorm. We drove up the mountain and made a snowman on our hood, and then drove back down. It's not unusual. That's why they call it weather and not climate.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 14 Jan 2019, 13:34:52

Forty three years ago when I met my wife she lived on Chicopee Mass. which is two degrees of latitude and 1700 feet lower in elevation then our home in VT. I was struck then by how mild their winters were compared to VT. Snow when it did fall almost always melted or greatly settled before the next storm and some side streets were never plowed just letting traffic action and some salt melt it off. Late January often had a couple of inches of crust on the lawn and temps above freezing every afternoon
With forty three years of climate change that milder weather has moved north a bit but is still a long ways south and below me. I don't think I'll get to retire my snow shovel in my lifetime.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 14 Jan 2019, 21:20:44

Climate change claims a corporate victim: PG&E just declared bankruptcy

The company faces billions of dollars in liability from wildfires exacerbated by rising temperatures and drought.


https://www.vox.com/2019/1/14/18182162/ ... bankruptcy

Along the same lines:

The cost of climate change for PG&E is a warning to big business

...Last year was the worst wildfire season in California's history.

The Camp Fire, which destroyed the town of Paradise, was the costliest catastrophe worldwide, with $16.5 billion in damages, per reinsurance company Munich Re.

PG&E could be on the hook for billions of dollars in liability costs related to last year and the prior year's wildfires, far more than its insurance would cover. The Camp Fire alone killed at least 86, and may have been triggered by a spark from PG&E's power lines.

The mounting costs have led the company to consider bankruptcy. Its share price has been cut in half and CEO Geisha Williams has abruptly left the company....


https://www.axios.com/pge-bankruptcy-co ... 40e53.html
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 07:10:24

Blame CC for PG&E's foolishness if you must, but your efforts are misplaced.

PG&E did not cause the Santa Ana winds that come every year. What they did do was attempt to boost company profits by laying off a good portion of the linemen cutting back tree foliage from the lines, which sparked last year's wildfires.

This is part of a series of bad decisions they have made, such as failing to maintain a old and deteriorated high pressure gas main that subsequently exploded and burned an entire neighborhood, or failing to pave an emergency spillway on the second largest hydropower dam in the state.

PG&E profits are smaller than what other power companies provide, because they are burdened by excessive demands to reduce carbon dioxide and other pollutants, and to provide net metering for distributed solar PV and wind power, and so forth. These things are mandated by state laws and when such legislation causes reduced profits PG&E managers are induced to take cost-cutting measures that put people at risk. It is the downside of California's agressive environmental legislation. It seems that investors expect high profits and dividends regardless of the expenses imposed by anti-CC legislation.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 07:19:09

Reminds me a bit of PR.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Cog » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 10:13:57

The end result will be higher costs of energy to California consumers. Meanwhile, PG&E, due to bankruptcy, are going to immunize themselves from lawsuits. Don't see how that is a win for anyone. But California loves lawsuits so enjoy.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 11:59:57

Yup. This is a dog eating it’s tail.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 16 Jan 2019, 10:32:22

New research on how GW seems to be increasing the incidence of Sudden Stratospheric Warming events in the Arctic, with consequences for bouts of extreme winter weather in lower latitudes: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02992-9

Warm Arctic episodes linked with increased frequency of extreme winter weather in the United States
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 17 Jan 2019, 04:47:20

Global warming will happen faster than we think

Three trends will combine to hasten it, warn Yangyang Xu, Veerabhadran Ramanathan and David G. Victor.


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07586-5

Prepare for the “new abnormal”. That was what California Governor Jerry Brown told reporters last month, commenting on the deadly wildfires that have plagued the state this year. He’s right.

California’s latest crisis builds on years of record-breaking droughts and heatwaves. The rest of the world, too, has had more than its fair share of extreme weather in 2018. The Lancet Countdown on health and climate change announced last week that 157 million more people were exposed to heatwave events in 2017, compared with 2000.

...global warming is accelerating. Three trends — rising emissions, declining air pollution and natural climate cycles — will combine over the next 20 years to make climate change faster and more furious than anticipated. In our view, there’s a good chance that we could breach the 1.5 °C level by 2030
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 17 Jan 2019, 05:00:40

It can be overlooked that GW is warming the land, as well as the oceans and atmosphere:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8100000047

Evidence of climate warming from underground temperatures in NW Italy

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The ground surface temperature (GST) history in NW Italy was reconstructed for the last three centuries by means of temperature–depth data recorded in a borehole in 1982. The results indicate relatively warmer periods in the 18th century and at the end the 1970s. A more recent set of underground temperature data was recorded in 1996. The comparison with the earlier thermal logging shows an evident temperature increase in the uppermost 80 m. Two different inversion techniques yield a subsurface temperature increase of 0.8–1.0 K since the 1980s. The inferred climatic model is consistent with the air temperature variations recorded at the Genoa University meteorological station.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Revi » Thu 17 Jan 2019, 08:37:43

New Record! 413.45 on Mauna Loa!
https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Revi » Thu 17 Jan 2019, 08:37:43

New Record! 413.45 on Mauna Loa!
https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Revi » Thu 17 Jan 2019, 11:19:41

Revi wrote:New Record! 413.45 on Mauna Loa!
https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2


Here's a better one, the actual reading on January 12th is the one to check out.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/monthly.html
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 19 Jan 2019, 11:40:22

North American glaciers melting much faster than 10 years ago

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-change

Satellite images show glaciers in US and Canada...are shrinking four times faster...
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 20 Jan 2019, 09:07:31

In theory, our economy and society is supposed to have systems within it that help people know when things are going south so people can adjust their actions accordingly. Among these warning systems are rating agencies. Ratings agencies famously failed sound the alarm about bad loaning practices etc before the great crash of 2007-8, which nearly brought down the entire global finance system.

Rating agencies are similarly failing now to alert people to the dangers of living in areas most prone to damage from GW.

Last fall, after a trio of deadly hurricanes, ratings companies warned vulnerable coastal cities to get ready for climate change — or face higher borrowing costs ... Twelve months, two catastrophic storms and thousands of credit ratings later, those companies have yet to downgrade a single city because of climate change...

"I don’t know how anyone can look at the last two years of catastrophic damage from severe weather in communities all across America and suggest with a straight face that we have our risks under control."

...no cities or counties have been penalized ... despite warnings from disaster experts about the widespread failure of local governments to meaningfully prepare for the growing risks of global warming. Meanwhile, many of the cities and counties most exposed to the effects of climate change have received perfect ratings over the past year.

In May, Fitch and Moody’s both issued triple-A ratings to Wilmington, North Carolina. Four months later, Wilmington, which was flooded by Hurricane Matthew in 2016, was inundated again by Hurricane Florence, causing more than $250 million in damage ...

Moody’s and Fitch gave AAA ratings to Ocean County, New Jersey, which according to the research group First Street is home to the zip code that has lost more in relative property value than anywhere else in the country ...

Moody’s and S&P issued perfect ratings to Palm Beach, Florida, a narrow barrier island where $1.3 billion in property value is less than two feet above sea level ...



https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/n ... 506538.htm
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