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Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 05 Jan 2019, 14:48:08

Newfoundland is about the size of PA. The aboriginal peoples are estimated to have totaled about 5,000. Kind of give you an idea of how thin hunter gather populations were. And back then it was just bursting with caribou and fish. True they had a very primative technology, there mobility was limited because they used certain trees or stumps with natural bowl like shapes to cook by dropping in hot stones.

Even today it’s only 500,000 while PA is about 13 million. But they import about 95% of their food so, if you look at how many are self sustained it’s not a lot more than then.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 06 Jan 2019, 04:58:42

Newfie wrote:Newfoundland is about the size of PA. The aboriginal peoples are estimated to have totaled about 5,000. Kind of give you an idea of how thin hunter gather populations were. And back then it was just bursting with caribou and fish. True they had a very primative technology, there mobility was limited because they used certain trees or stumps with natural bowl like shapes to cook by dropping in hot stones.

Even today it’s only 500,000 while PA is about 13 million. But they import about 95% of their food so, if you look at how many are self sustained it’s not a lot more than then.


We have been around the 'imported food' issue several times, in the past you have freely acknowledged that inclusion in Canada as a province destroyed the subsistence level agriculture on Newfoundland with cheap Canadian crops imported duty free. Other than that issue Newfoundland is not remarkably different than Iceland, they have very similar climates heavily influenced by the maritime effect and the populations were both mostly fish protein sourced until industrial fishing trawlers collapsed the sustainable catch. Iceland's population is about 350,000 on a slightly smaller usable land are due to central glaciers and active volcanoes.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 06 Jan 2019, 05:02:02

Fredrik wrote:In Central/North Canada, or other boreal (coniferous forest) belt regions with nutrient-poor soils, one option is to practice slash-and-burn agriculture, where the ash functions as an effective fertilizer for a few years. In medieval times, temporary slash-and-burn sites often produced more crops than equal-size permanent fields fertilized with manure. Obviously this implies a highly mobile form of agriculture as you need new areas to burn until the depleted ones have regrown, as well as more C02 in the atmosphere...


While it is true boreal forest can grow in regions with low soil fertility it is also true they can grow in areas of high soil fertility. Canada is not one blanket area of the same soil condition everywhere as we just went over on another thread a week or so ago. There is actually quite a lot of area with deep fertile soils that have not yet been exploited due to low population and high cost to develop raw woodlot into commercial farms.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 06 Jan 2019, 07:55:02

Similarly, experts have long tried to estimate the share of domestically produced food in the diet of Icelanders. Even though the experts appear to be somewhat divided on the matter, and are using different methods to arrive at their conclusion, the common consensus seems to be that Icelanders produce roughly half of their food (see for example, Halldórsson, Snæbjörnsson et al, 2010; Þórisson, 2011; Jóhannsson, 2011). However, this is – as has been argued above – hard to determine because it is difficult to assess how large a share of imports are used to enable the domestic production. It is, however, safe to infer that Icelanders are heavily dependent on constant and guaranteed access to foreign goods when it comes to food and food production.


https://ecpr.eu/Filestore/PaperProposal ... 68257b.pdf

So about half of 350,000. Or 175,000. Newfoundland could do better and they have in the past. It’s not gonna be made easier because now so many follow are living in population centers, principally St. John’s. And, it would seem, Iceland is producing a much higher percentage than Newfoundland to start with.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby derhundistlos » Mon 07 Jan 2019, 01:57:59

2018 GLOBAL TEMPS. 4TH HIGHEST ON RECORD

In a preliminary report, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says global temperatures in 2018 are set to be the fourth highest on record.
Further, the WMO pointed out that the 20 warmest years on record have been in the past 22 years, and that "2018 is on course to be the 4th warmest year on record." This would mean that the past four years – "2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 – are also the four warmest years in the series".

The signs of impending ecological collapse are everywhere.

https://phys.org/news/2018-11-temperatu ... t.html#jCp
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 09 Jan 2019, 01:24:07

"... the past four years – 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 – are also the four warmest ..."

Yup, pretty well screwed.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 10 Jan 2019, 12:46:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46801108

Report: US 2018 CO2 emissions saw biggest spike in years

A new report has found that US carbon dioxide emissions rose by 3.4% in 2018 after three years of decline. The spike is the largest in eight years, according to Rhodium Group, an independent economic research firm.

The data shows the US is unlikely to meet its pledge to reduce emissions by 2025 under the Paris climate agreement. Under President Donald Trump, the US is set to leave the Paris accord in 2020 while his administration has ended many existing environmental protections.

While the Rhodium report notes these figures - pulled from US Energy Information Administration data and other sources - are estimates, The Global Carbon Project, another research group, also reported a similar increase in US emissions for 2018. And last year's spike comes despite a decline in coal-fired power plants; a record number were retired last year, according to the report.

The researchers note that 2019 will probably not repeat such an increase, but the findings underscore the country's challenges in reducing greenhouse gas output.

Many had hoped that carbon cutting actions at state or city level could in some way keep the US on track to meet its commitments made under the Paris climate agreement. The latest emissions data indicate that this is unlikely to happen.


Make America Heat Again! :lol: :( :twisted:
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby asg70 » Thu 10 Jan 2019, 14:07:01

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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dissident » Thu 10 Jan 2019, 20:59:54

asg70 wrote:#ThanksTrump


BS. Thanks cheap oil prices.

The artificially low oil prices are going to make things much worse. But BAU depends on oil being cheap so all sorts of market manipulation will be deployed. This includes faking the "overstock" of gasoline in the US as if oil depends on some transient usage in the US. Show me year to year accumulation of unused diesel of gasoline and then maybe this indicator has some merit. But it clearly doesn't and the oil price is determined based on the speculators who use it.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 10 Jan 2019, 21:47:20

WTI is back up over $52/bl so the cheap oil price dip appears to be over.
Speculators aside the US consumes some seventeen million barrels of finished product a day which a big chunk of the world total. I would hardly call that transient.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby jawagord » Fri 11 Jan 2019, 12:36:19

Don't be alarmed folks. Cold temperature weather anomalies are "proof" of climate change, how could we have cold temperatures otherwise, it can't be global cooling? High temperatures on the other hand are both "proof" of global warming and climate change! See if you are a believer you can have your cake and eat it too!

Temperatures in Greece have hit record lows and Athens has seen a rare dusting of snow, as deadly winter weather continues to pummel Europe.

Northern Greece saw an all-time low of -23C on Tuesday, which was recorded in the city of Florina, disrupting roads, rail and bus services.


While tourists at the Acropolis were treated to a snow-globe scene on Tuesday, locals had to contend with roads made impassable by ice and many schools were closed in the Athens region.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 19051.html
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 12 Jan 2019, 12:43:31

(Note to j: It's called global warming, not 'local warming.' Individual temperature records at specific locations mean next to nothing. But thanks for at least admitting that you believe in thermometers! Now do you believe that most thermometers in most of the globe have been showing mostly higher temperatures over most of the last fifty years? As pretty much everyone who has looked at the thermometer readings have concluded? Including BEST, who actually set out to prove that everyone else was wrong at that the world isn't warming??)
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Tuike » Sun 13 Jan 2019, 15:44:25

derhundistlos wrote:2018 GLOBAL TEMPS. 4TH HIGHEST ON RECORD

Scientists issue dire warning in new study finding last year was likely the hottest on record -thinkprogress
“It is too late to stop serious global warming," warns scientist.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Revi » Mon 14 Jan 2019, 11:01:30

jawagord wrote:Don't be alarmed folks. Cold temperature weather anomalies are "proof" of climate change, how could we have cold temperatures otherwise, it can't be global cooling? High temperatures on the other hand are both "proof" of global warming and climate change! See if you are a believer you can have your cake and eat it too!

Temperatures in Greece have hit record lows and Athens has seen a rare dusting of snow, as deadly winter weather continues to pummel Europe.

Northern Greece saw an all-time low of -23C on Tuesday, which was recorded in the city of Florina, disrupting roads, rail and bus services.


While tourists at the Acropolis were treated to a snow-globe scene on Tuesday, locals had to contend with roads made impassable by ice and many schools were closed in the Athens region.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 19051.html


When I visited Greece in the early 2000's they had just had a major snowstorm. We drove up the mountain and made a snowman on our hood, and then drove back down. It's not unusual. That's why they call it weather and not climate.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 14 Jan 2019, 13:34:52

Forty three years ago when I met my wife she lived on Chicopee Mass. which is two degrees of latitude and 1700 feet lower in elevation then our home in VT. I was struck then by how mild their winters were compared to VT. Snow when it did fall almost always melted or greatly settled before the next storm and some side streets were never plowed just letting traffic action and some salt melt it off. Late January often had a couple of inches of crust on the lawn and temps above freezing every afternoon
With forty three years of climate change that milder weather has moved north a bit but is still a long ways south and below me. I don't think I'll get to retire my snow shovel in my lifetime.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 14 Jan 2019, 21:20:44

Climate change claims a corporate victim: PG&E just declared bankruptcy

The company faces billions of dollars in liability from wildfires exacerbated by rising temperatures and drought.


https://www.vox.com/2019/1/14/18182162/ ... bankruptcy

Along the same lines:

The cost of climate change for PG&E is a warning to big business

...Last year was the worst wildfire season in California's history.

The Camp Fire, which destroyed the town of Paradise, was the costliest catastrophe worldwide, with $16.5 billion in damages, per reinsurance company Munich Re.

PG&E could be on the hook for billions of dollars in liability costs related to last year and the prior year's wildfires, far more than its insurance would cover. The Camp Fire alone killed at least 86, and may have been triggered by a spark from PG&E's power lines.

The mounting costs have led the company to consider bankruptcy. Its share price has been cut in half and CEO Geisha Williams has abruptly left the company....


https://www.axios.com/pge-bankruptcy-co ... 40e53.html
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 07:10:24

Blame CC for PG&E's foolishness if you must, but your efforts are misplaced.

PG&E did not cause the Santa Ana winds that come every year. What they did do was attempt to boost company profits by laying off a good portion of the linemen cutting back tree foliage from the lines, which sparked last year's wildfires.

This is part of a series of bad decisions they have made, such as failing to maintain a old and deteriorated high pressure gas main that subsequently exploded and burned an entire neighborhood, or failing to pave an emergency spillway on the second largest hydropower dam in the state.

PG&E profits are smaller than what other power companies provide, because they are burdened by excessive demands to reduce carbon dioxide and other pollutants, and to provide net metering for distributed solar PV and wind power, and so forth. These things are mandated by state laws and when such legislation causes reduced profits PG&E managers are induced to take cost-cutting measures that put people at risk. It is the downside of California's agressive environmental legislation. It seems that investors expect high profits and dividends regardless of the expenses imposed by anti-CC legislation.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 07:19:09

Reminds me a bit of PR.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Cog » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 10:13:57

The end result will be higher costs of energy to California consumers. Meanwhile, PG&E, due to bankruptcy, are going to immunize themselves from lawsuits. Don't see how that is a win for anyone. But California loves lawsuits so enjoy.
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Re: Global Warming / Climate Changes Pt. 20

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 15 Jan 2019, 11:59:57

Yup. This is a dog eating it’s tail.
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