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Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 01 Jun 2018, 14:54:16

Civilization's regret (under Capitalism): That it left any fossil fuels untouched and un-monetized.

It better hurry: Time is running out.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 01 Jun 2018, 15:16:50

Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 01 Jun 2018, 15:39:36

KaiserJeep wrote:Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom.
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You can deride peak oil all you want. But that yuppie getaway on THE 'Island' (tut tut tut lol) won't protect you. There will be 'deplorables' of all kinds just across the bay on the mainland, with lots of biodiesel and boats to come take what you have built.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 09:58:25

Climate change is over. No, I’m not saying the climate will not change in the future, or that human influence on the climate is negligible. I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest renewable-energy rent seekers.

Judged by deeds rather than words, most national governments are backing away from forced-marched decarbonization. You can date the arc of climate change as a policy priority from 1988, when highly publicized congressional hearings first elevated the issue, to 2018. President Trump’s ostentatious withdrawal from the Paris Agreement merely ratified a trend long becoming evident.

A good indicator of why climate change as an issue is over can be found early in the text of the Paris Agreement. The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’ ” Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades.


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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 11:07:37

I always thought it was a mistake to include any notion of justice in a climate agreement. How foolish of all concerned.

The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’


It would have been far simpler if they just said "You Die!" as reason enough. Far too late anyway.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 11:44:42

Yes, I’ve heard that “argument” before, “We can’t fight climate change in a world that tolerates social injustice.”

Unfortunately any serious attack on climate change will hurt billions. I see no way around it.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 12:09:27

jedrider wrote:I always thought it was a mistake to include any notion of justice in a climate agreement. How foolish of all concerned.

The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’


It would have been far simpler if they just said "You Die!" as reason enough. Far too late anyway.


Yes climate change urgently needs to be decoupled as a liberal agenda. Not only because it is ecologically unsound to promote social justice for all but also to move this issue slowly toward universal acceptance.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 15:35:21

Newf, you seem to now be spewing KJ's absolute and utter bs.

How does the population switching to a largely plant-based diet 'hurt billions'?

How does people largely giving up air travel 'hurt billions'?

Yet these two would go a long way to reducing the speed and ferocity of the consequences of Climate Chaos, chaos that will indeed 'hurt," indeed kill, billions!
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 19:22:54

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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 19:34:24

dohboi wrote:Newf, you seem to now be spewing KJ's absolute and utter bs.

How does the population switching to a largely plant-based diet 'hurt billions'?

How does people largely giving up air travel 'hurt billions'?

Yet these two would go a long way to reducing the speed and ferocity of the consequences of Climate Chaos, chaos that will indeed 'hurt," indeed kill, billions!


You should go back and read KJs posts. Lots for you to learn there.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 04:05:25

April 2018
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=> May 2018
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Scripps Oceanography and NOAA announced this week that average levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere exceeded 411 parts per million in May. That’s a new record. And their studies show that the rate of CO2 increase is accelerating. To read more visit here.

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And, the contiguous U.S. also had its warmest May on record. In fact, each and every state in the U.S. was warmer than the average May in the 124-year record.....
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 06:38:36

jedrider wrote:I always thought it was a mistake to include any notion of justice in a climate agreement. How foolish of all concerned.

The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’


It would have been far simpler if they just said "You Die!" as reason enough. Far too late anyway.

I think this whole issue of social justice re: CC is ridiculous. It is not India or the US or whatever country that is warming it is the entire planet and we do not get to chose which areas will be most affected. Nature will do that. We lost the chance to enact any social justice when we passed 2 billion or so and now that we have destabilized the PLANETS climate. As for attempts to adapt, well I do not expect anybody to come to the rescue of anybody else. At best people sharing local areas will help each other. When finally WE emerge from the bottleneck, things may begin to be better for the survivors but the going through it will be analgous to a woman giving child birth quite quite painful.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 19 Jun 2018, 07:41:45

May 2018 Broke Thousands of Temperature Records Across the US
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 17 Jul 2018, 12:36:00

“It’s most cool and foggy down in the Bay,” he said of the San Francisco Bay. “You have a sea breeze coming in. But above the sea breeze some of the driest air in North America is coming in. Up in the hills it’s super dry.”

Changes in fire behavior have consequences both for firefighters and for people who live near open spaces, said Anthony.

“What we thought was normal or average isn’t normal anymore,” he said. “We have to change our thinking.”


https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/Here-s-What-s-Been-Different-About-Fires-This-Year-13072815.php

It's originally a NYTimes article. I think CHANGE is the key. Change that is unexpected and that doesn't conform to our linear way of thinking and comparing.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 21 Jul 2018, 20:04:52

Be Zero Hour their Finest Hour! M_B_S
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 22 Jul 2018, 01:04:04

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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 20 Sep 2018, 17:46:56

Another day, another feedback.
Melting Arctic Permafrost Releases Acid that Dissolves Rocks which then releases CO2

https://www.livescience.com/63612-arcti ... frost.html
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 26 Sep 2018, 09:37:07

More Persistent Weather Patterns in US Linked to Arctic Warming

Jennifer A. Francis et al, North American weather regimes are becoming more persistent: Is Arctic amplification a factor?, Geophysical Research Letters (2018)

Abstract
Rapid Arctic warming is hypothesized to favor an increased persistence of regional weather patterns in the northern hemisphere [Francis and Vavrus 2012]. Persistent conditions can lead to drought, heatwaves, prolonged cold spells, and storminess that can cost millions of dollars in damage and disrupt societal and ecosystem norms. This study defines a new metric called long‐duration events (LDEs) ‐‐ conditions that endure at least 4 consecutive days ‐‐ and takes two independent approaches to assessing seasonal changes in weather‐pattern persistence over North America. One applies precipitation measurements at weather stations across the United States; the other is based on a cluster analysis of large‐scale, upper‐level atmospheric patterns. Both methods indicate an overall increase in LDEs. We also find that large‐scale patterns consistent with a warm Arctic exhibit an increased frequency of LDEs, suggesting that further Arctic warming may favor persistent weather patterns that can lead to weather extremes.

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Rapid Arctic warming and sea‐ice loss are expected to affect weather patterns around the northern hemisphere. An increased persistent of weather regimes is one hypothesized impact. Long‐lasting weather conditions can lead to destructive extreme events, such as droughts, prolonged cold spells, heatwaves, and flooding. This study uses daily precipitation measurements across the United States, as well as daily large‐scale atmospheric patterns over the eastern Pacific and North America, to assess changes in weather‐regime persistence, and whether any changes are associated with a rapidly warming Arctic. We find an increased frequency in long‐lived patterns in recent decades, especially those with abnormally warm high latitudes, suggesting that further Arctic warming may favor an increase in extreme events caused by prolonged weather conditions.


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Scientists at Rutgers University-New Brunswick and the University of Wisconsin-Madison examined daily precipitation data at 17 stations across the U.S., along with large upper-level circulation patterns over the eastern Pacific Ocean and North America.

Overall, dry and wet spells lasting four or more days occurred more frequently in recent decades, according to the study published online today in Geophysical Research Letters. The frequency of persistent large-scale circulation patterns over North America also increased when the Arctic was abnormally warm.

"While we cannot say for sure that Arctic warming is the cause, we found that large-scale patterns with Arctic warming are becoming more frequent, and the frequency of long-duration weather conditions increases most for those patterns," said Francis, who works in the School of Environmental and Biological Sciences.

The results suggest that as the Arctic continues to warm and melt, it's likely that long-duration events will continue to occur more often, meaning that weather patterns—heat waves, droughts, cold spells and stormy conditions—will likely become more persistent, she said.

"When these conditions last a long time, they can become extreme events, as we've seen so often in recent years," she said. "Knowing which types of events will occur more often in which regions and under what background conditions—such as certain ocean temperature patterns—will help decision-makers plan for the future in terms of infrastructure improvements, agricultural practices, emergency preparedness and managed retreat from hazardous areas."


Researchers Find Precipitation Thresholds Regulate Carbon Exchange

... Ecosystems either soak up carbon through photosynthesis—a negative feedback that could reduce future warming—or release it through respiration—a positive feedback that could enhance future warming. Understanding how climate change might impact ecosystem photosynthesis and respiration is critical for predicting future carbon dynamics.
"This study suggests we know more about the negative feedback loop and less about the positive one."

Liu's team discovered that whether ecosystems across the U.S. uptake carbon or release it is dependent on water availability. The primary control switches from production to respiration at an annual precipitation threshold between 30 and 35 inches in the contiguous United States. The carbon balance of ecosystems in the dry West is very sensitive to photosynthesis. In contrast, the carbon balance of more mesic Eastern U.S. ecosystems is more sensitive to carbon lost through respiration.

However, climate models do not reflect this precipitation threshold. Liu and his co-authors determined that these models are far too sensitive to photosynthesis and not sensitive enough to respiration, suggesting the Earth's ecosystems may lose more carbon to the atmosphere in the future as surface temperatures continue to warm.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 29 Oct 2018, 18:14:45

Alterations To Seabed Raise Fears for Future

The ocean floor as we know it is dissolving rapidly as a result of human activity.

Normally the deep sea bottom is a chalky white. It's composed, to a large extent, of the mineral calcite (CaCO3) formed from the skeletons and shells of many planktonic organisms and corals. The seafloor plays a crucial role in controlling the degree of ocean acidification. The dissolution of calcite neutralizes the acidity of the CO2, and in the process prevents seawater from becoming too acidic.

But these days, at least in certain hotspots such as the Northern Atlantic and the southern Oceans, the ocean's chalky bed is becoming more of a murky brown. As a result of human activities the level of CO2 in the water is so high, and the water is so acidic, that the calcite is simply being dissolved.

The McGill-led research team who published their results this week in a study in PNAS believe that what they are seeing today is only a foretaste of the way that the ocean floor will most likely be affected in future.

Olivier Sulpis et al, Current CaCO3 dissolution at the seafloor caused by anthropogenic CO2, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2018)
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