[dohboi]

Nicely put, SG.

[dohboi]

Juan wrote:

"I eat beef a couple of times a month"

I think the world could just about handle that level of near-vegetarianism.

What it can't handle is the US (and some other country's) very high level of industrial beef (and pork/chicken/lamb...) consumption.

[KaiserJeep]

KJ the deficiency argument is myth. Google "Vegan diet deficiency myth" & read, I'm not going to bother arguing with stupid.

To the contrary, the American Medical Association has endorsed the list of missing nutrients in Vegan/Vegetarian diets. Before we spend time in yet another rathole, we need to define terms. Here are the Mayo Clinic definitions:

Types of vegetarian diets
When people think about a vegetarian diet, they typically think about a diet that doesn't include meat, poultry or fish. But vegetarian diets vary in what foods they include and exclude:

*Lacto-vegetarian diets exclude meat, fish, poultry and eggs, as well as foods that contain them. Dairy products, such as milk, cheese, yogurt and butter, are included.
*Ovo-vegetarian diets exclude meat, poultry, seafood and dairy products, but allow eggs.
*Lacto-ovo vegetarian diets exclude meat, fish and poultry, but allow dairy products and eggs.
*Pescatarian diets exclude meat and poultry, dairy, and eggs, but allow fish.
*Pollotarian diets exclude meat, dairy and fish, but allow poultry.
*Vegan diets exclude meat, poultry, fish, eggs and dairy products — and foods that contain these products.

Now note that ALL variations of Vegan/Vegetarian diets are deficient in essential nutrients. Note also that ALL such deficiencies can be compensated for by taking dietary supplements in the form of pills and powders. However, as you descend the scale above these supplements become more expensive and harder to afford. In fact a truly nutritious, truly Vegan diet - the last alternative above - costs about 2.5X what the normal US diet of meats/dairy/vegetables costs. If as MOST Vegans do, one eats the diet and fails to add the expensive dietary supplements that an omnivorous ape needs, then a number of deleterious effects happen, prime among them being brain damage.

I know people who indulge in small portions of meat/fish/poultry once a week. Even that is enough to provide the B vitamins, D vitamins, and the essential amino acids that one can get only from animal proteins or dietary supplements, especially if one also takes a simple daily multi-vitamin/mineral supplement capsule. It is a cheap way to be "almost" Vegan, and get the benefits without the health problems.

Consider this and decide if we are actually disagreeing or not. Because I know many people here in California in particular who have been practicing extreme Vegan diets for years without supplements. That includes practicing Hindus who display swollen bellies and emaciated bodies, and silly Middle Class people of all nationalities. There are also, I admit, a few famous Vegans who are the CEOs of major Silly Valley corporations, and wealthy enough to have personal trainers and nutritionists.

That latter group is the only one that I think actually carries off Veganism without compromising their health. Some of them also display borderline beliefs in non-mainstream philosophies such as Scientology, for example. I actually don't know whether such folks are skipping their pills and supplements, either. Nor do I know whether they were free from mental disease before they began Veganism.

Considering all of these things, maybe we are not disagreeing.

[ROCKMAN]

Might as well throw some facts into the discussion. Where does the global calorie intake come from?From the folks at National Geographics:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/what-the-world-eats/

9% comes from meat And beef consumption has been gradually declining for some time while pork has be booming. BTW cattle graze…pigs don’t.

56% from grain and produce. IOW almost all of the deforested land has been turned to growing crops and not grazing cattle.

[pstarr]

Level 5 Vegan. ... A Level 5 Vegan is defined as someone who never eats anything that casts a shadow.

[Tanada]

Level 5 Vegan. ... A Level 5 Vegan is defined as someone who never eats anything that casts a shadow.

So they only eat mushrooms grown in caves by blind folks who don't need lights to do their work?

[pstarr]

Level 5 Vegan. ... A Level 5 Vegan is defined as someone who never eats anything that casts a shadow.

So they only eat mushrooms grown in caves by blind folks who don't need lights to do their work?

Blind cave salamanders can be roasted.

[SeaGypsy]

LOL, taking dietary advice from the same idiots who presided over the antidepressant & opoid epidemic. May as well ask my local crack dealer what to eat.

[onlooker]

4 Environmental Activists Are Killed Every Week So We Can Have Snacks, Meat And Coffee

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/en ... 86f48f2fb6

[dohboi]

“What we eat can save the world, and ourselves.”

Billions of farm animals deserve a day of rest too — keep them off the grill and off your table on Labor Day

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la ... story.html

[KaiserJeep]

....or you could have an animal feast and temporarily reduce the number of meat animals, for the sake of the planet.

Chickens and beef and pigs are likely to never be endangered, because they taste good.

[vox_mundi]

[Newfie]

Sine the rich are only 1% of the population this will be a short trend. Unless we change it to “Eat the richEST”, then it will take care of some for a long time to come.