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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 07:12:54

derhundistlos wrote:Ibon:

"The irony to own a reserve and share wildlife with folks from all over the world while their travel to get here imperils our biosphere. I can't resolve this."

Sure you can. I own and operate two wildlife reserves in Colombia totaling 1.977 hectares or 4.943 acres in the Departments of Antioquia and Guaviare. I resolve the dilemma you are confronting by using the revenues generated to purchase neighboring properties. My goal is for each reserve to total at least 5.000 acres, which is the minimum size required for sustainability.
Then at the time of my death, the properties will be donated to a well established Colombian wildlife NGO.


Thats awesome. Habitat preservation and creating refuge populations of flora and fauna is like a seed bank. These are the refuge populations of biodiversity that can then one day spread and recolonize former human landscapes when our population one day recedes. In my comment I was referring to something more immediate in reference to all of the air travel required for several hundred tourists from Europe and North America to come down here to experience and enjoy the intact habitat our reserve provides and yet their very choice of flying down here aggravates imbalances in our biosphere.

The main reason for me bringing up this point is that today, no matter how virtuous your actions might be, for example in preserving habitat and providing the education opportunities for folks to enjoy this, you can never completely exonerate yourself from how you contribute and aggravate the imbalances. We are simply too many people and consume too much regardless of how virtuous we may think that consumption may be. Flying across the planet to watch birds is a form of consumption.

Where are your reserves in Colombia? What a wonderful country.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby GASMON » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 13:37:39

Mother nature is above all - she has the power via volcanic events, meteorites etc to wipe everything out. It's (nearly) happened before in the planets distant past so I believe .

One day our sun will die, expand and consume this planet - not on our watch though !!

Just back last week from Thailand, a beautiful but rapidly changing country (not for mother natures benefit). Wife's sisters house we stayed in is now fully air conned, 60" colour TV, internet connected appliances, even the dish washer !!- more bang up to date mod cons than we have here in the UK !!. If you want to see future environmental disaster in the making go to Bangkok !!!!

The four engine A380's I rode surely spewed out tons of CO2, as do the thousands of other planes daily around the globe. They ride nice though - super smooth, and quieter than a 747 !!! Do I feel guilty ? Not really - We are all guilty one way or another. It'll be a couple of years till my next trip - I wonder what changes I will see then ? (unless Trump has made the middle east a glass desert by then and such journeys are beyond my means).

What a world we live in - enjoy it while you can.

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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 06 Aug 2018, 15:18:01

Gas,
Sometimes I feel like a fish in water. I may realize that my being in the water is decaying it’s environment for the other fish and plants. But I am a fish so my options are limited.

Conundrums.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Revi » Wed 29 Aug 2018, 07:35:49

I have begun to think about how my actions affect things. I pissed off everyone on facebook by figuring out how much Co2 we spew on a daily basis. It's about 1/4 lb. per mile per passenger in a plane, 1/2 pound per mile in a car and about a third per mile for a train. This information really bugged people. I think it makes it easy to figure out what we are doing, like having a budget. For example I drove to work yesterday in my electric car, which uses nothing but then took a trip to a nearby town in my gasoline truck. That put 32 pounds in the air. My average is 27 lbs per day, so that put me about 5 over. I'll use less today, so it will be a below average week, hopefully. I just think it's a good way to figure it out. Most people would rather avoid thinking about it at all.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Cog » Wed 29 Aug 2018, 07:49:28

What generates the power for your electric car?
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Revi » Wed 29 Aug 2018, 08:02:17

My electric car is a GEM car, and it uses very little electricity. What it does get is mostly from hydro and wind in our neck of the woods. The Kennebec Valley has 4 big hydro dams.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby longpig » Sat 01 Sep 2018, 19:53:39

GASMON wrote:One day our sun will die, expand and consume this planet - not on our watch though !!
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Life on the timescale of earth is pretty much near it's end. Life began evolving 4.5 billion years, in 500 million years the sun will have expanded enough to boil away all the oceans and end all life on earth. Earth is like a 90 year old man who will die at 100.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 02 Sep 2018, 02:52:09

longpig wrote:
GASMON wrote:One day our sun will die, expand and consume this planet - not on our watch though !!
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Life on the timescale of earth is pretty much near it's end. Life began evolving 4.5 billion years, in 500 million years the sun will have expanded enough to boil away all the oceans and end all life on earth. Earth is like a 90 year old man who will die at 100.

Well, first earth is about 4.5 billion years old and life evolved roughly 3.8 billion years ago. (These things can be googled, obviously. Or you could provide credible citations.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/history_of_the_earth

The time estimate for the oceans boiling away has been delayed in recent years, but whether it's in hundreds of millions of years or over a billion years, that timeframe GREATLY dwarfs the amount of time homo sapiens have been a species.

https://www.newsweek.com/sun-losing-mas ... hy-1094007

So what is "fast" about this?

In a blink of an eye on a cosmological scale, either humanity will have destroyed itself (and sadly, likely taken the vast majority of the biosphere with it), or have evolved to such an extent in terms of technological ability that we can't even BEGIN to imagine how it might adapt.

Gradually moving the orbit of the earth away from the sun sounds completely preposterous to us, for example. And yet, the internet age would have seemed the same to people before the dark ages. Or modern medicine (re the science it's based upon, like our ability to manipulate viruses, bacteria, genes, etc).
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 02 Sep 2018, 03:00:25

GASMON wrote:Mother nature is above all - she has the power via volcanic events, meteorites etc to wipe everything out. It's (nearly) happened before in the planets distant past so I believe .

Yup. I think it's fair to say the day the moon was created via the earth being struck by a roughly Mars sized object would have been pretty rough had anything been alive at the time.

https://www.space.com/35291-moon-age-pinned-down.html
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby derhundistlos » Sun 02 Sep 2018, 07:22:25

"That’s no average size piece of land you have there. How are you making it produce profit while protecting it? My own little piece of land is far smaller than your, 168 acres in Nova Scotia, Canada."

Firstly, the expenses are virtually N/A. Annual property taxes amount to $137 US combined. Each reserve is maintained by a forest guard. Each guard lives on the reserve with his family. Each guard is paid $211 US monthly. The reserves are located along spring-fed rivers teeming with fish. Electricity is generated via mini-hydro. Clean, potable water is always abundant. Water is supplied via a gravitational system. No AC required.
Revenue is generated through eco-tourism and sports fishing. We also plant platanos, banana, yucca, and vegetables.

Colombia contains more biodiversity than any other country.

We have an excellent relationship with the guerillas (Las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarios de Colombia: El Ejercito del Pueblo). La FARC are true conservationists. Poaching, trade in wildlife, hunting of wildlife are all STRICTLY PROHIBITED and the justice is swift for those who violate this law. You may have read about a gang comprised of six Chinese poachers were caught in the Cauca Department by the guerillas. They were turned over to the local Indians and executed.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby derhundistlos » Sun 02 Sep 2018, 07:34:16

"Where are your reserves in Colombia?"

The reserves are located in the Departments of Antioquia (about 3 hours drive along the main road connecting Medellin and Bogota) in an area called Rio Claro. The area is known for beautiful limestone canyons where the world's only bird species named los Guácharos nests in caves. Los Guacharos inhabit dark and deep caves in the day and go out at night to look for food, oriented by a system of echolocation similar to that of bats. These birds are critical to the health of the forests as the seeds they eat are not digested, but instead, are discharged in their poop and go on to propagate new growth. The name of the Reserve is La Reserva Natural el Titi, in honor of the beautiful and shy monkey that is endangered.
The other reserve is located in the Department of Guaviare along the Guaviare river and is named in honor of the highly social and beautiful Pink River dolphins that the reserve protects- La Reserva Natural Del Fines Rosados.
I tried uploading a map, but the system won't allow it. I'll try on Google Earth.

Where are you located?
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 02 Sep 2018, 10:26:45

I’m in Newfoundland, Canada. But will be returning to Granada in a month or two. We hope to spend some time in Columbia in the next couple of years. Our Daughter in Law is Columbian.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 02 Sep 2018, 10:55:18

Newfie wrote:I’m in Newfoundland, Canada. But will be returning to Granada in a month or two. We hope to spend some time in Columbia in the next couple of years. Our Daughter in Law is Columbian.


Colombia..... and I wont forgive you if you don't visit us when you finally make that trip.
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Re: On the fast track to doom

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 02 Sep 2018, 15:11:56

Makes two of us! :-D
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