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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 03 Aug 2018, 17:04:46

Little has changed. Industrial clearcutting continues unabated today. Creating future same-age stunted straggly diseased forests that will burn a firestorm 40 years from now.
While RocDoc is correct - more forest fires 100 years ago - they were small ground crawling natural fires that avoided climbing to the crown. These natural fires operated like the forest vacuum cleaner. Today's fires are very different - every fire that breaks out now has the potential to be a stand replacing fire.

rocman is right. Old growth conifers rarely burn. The crown may be hundred feet or more above the ground. The trees are far apart. The forest floor is mostly free of brush. The trunks hard and clean. Not a lot of fuel to burn
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 03 Aug 2018, 18:17:06

Just so anyone outside of California knows what we are up against:

https://sf.curbed.com/2018/8/2/17644454/california-fires-carr-fire-ferguson-fire-records

All of these blazes are the long-predicted outcome of a series of bad luck factors for the state, as Vox explained in a recent Carr Fire story:

These fires follow a “global heat wave” of searing, record-setting heat as well as exceptional drought. [...] A lot of variables to converged to create a sweeping conflagration like the Carr Fire, but in short:

1. It’s hot.

2. It’s dry.

3. It’s windy.

4. Just about everything on the ground is flammable.


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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 15:33:55

More than 100 large wildfires in US as new blazes erupt

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/12/more-th ... r=sharebar
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 15:58:47

onlooker wrote:More than 100 large wildfires in US as new blazes erupt

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/12/more-th ... r=sharebar
the skies here are a bit reddish from the Carr fire.
No worries here, we are in the cool coastal belt. Though my wife has to drive east next week
All the roads east are closed save one. And it might close soon.
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 16:13:35

pstarr wrote:
onlooker wrote:More than 100 large wildfires in US as new blazes erupt

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/12/more-th ... r=sharebar
the skies here are a bit reddish from the Carr fire.
No worries here, we are in the cool coastal belt. Though my wife has to drive east next week
All the roads east are closed save one. And it might close soon.

Stay safe P. Not Pbrain :lol:
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 13 Aug 2018, 17:39:00

onlooker wrote:
pstarr wrote:
onlooker wrote:More than 100 large wildfires in US as new blazes erupt

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/12/more-th ... r=sharebar
the skies here are a bit reddish from the Carr fire.
No worries here, we are in the cool coastal belt. Though my wife has to drive east next week
All the roads east are closed save one. And it might close soon.

Stay safe P. Not Pbrain :lol:

Her friend is driving up to Medford Oregon, for Lazic eye surgery. My wife will be the copilot for the drive back. A bit concerned about the smoke and the hot weather (above 100f), but won't be close to the fire itself.

But then there is this from a few days ago:
Highway 199 conditions - 8/9
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THE KLONDIKE FIRE NEAR SELMA IN JOSEPHINE COUNTY NOW POSES A THREAT THAT COULD IMPACT THIS HIGHWAY WITH LITTLE OR NO WARNING. BE CHECKING CURRENT HIGHWAY STATUS BEFORE TRAVELING.


Yikes! Hiway 199 goes right through Selma. We will be keeping an eye on it. She leaves tomorrow.
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 14 Aug 2018, 01:39:00

Yikes!

Do keep a sharp lookout and stay safe!

Meanwhile, don't forget that this isn't just a California thing. Much of Europe is still suffering from extreme heat and wildfires:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/eu ... d=57081024

And of course the Arctic is still on fire, and no, this isn't normal:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... way-flame/

Ten times more wildfires in Russian Arctic than a decade ago as ice melts and gives way to flame

But back to CA---in case anyone did not get the memo...access to enough water is not the reason these fires are so intense and hard to manage. To paraphrase a slogan...It's GW, stupid!

https://www.skepticalscience.com/trump- ... urned.html

Daniel Berlant, assistant deputy director of Cal Fire immediately noted that water isn’t firefighters’ problem:

"We have plenty of water to fight these wildfires, but let’s be clear: It’s our changing climate that is leading to more severe and destructive fires"

Climate change is making wildfires bigger
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 05 Sep 2018, 15:14:41

Canada:

2018 now worst fire season on record as B.C. extends state of emergency

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4803546
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 08 Sep 2018, 09:05:32

DELTA FIRE SPREADS TO MORE THAN 24,000 ACRES, I-5 TO REMAIN CLOSED

LAKEHEAD, Calif. —
Portions of Interstate-5 will remain closed from Dunsmuir to Redding until Sunday, Sept. 9 after the Delta Fire’s passage ravaged the roadway, according to CalTrans.

The agency says that that guard rails, signs and areas of the center median were damaged by the fire. Meanwhile, crews continue to need full access to the highway as areas of the fire are still burning close to the roadway


http://www.kdrv.com/content/news/Wildfi ... 41481.html
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 08 Nov 2018, 22:31:23

This headline pretty much sums up our general situation 8O :

Paradise evacuated as wildfire rages

https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018 ... 930719002/
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 09 Nov 2018, 10:40:31

Much of California is going to go up, either now or in coming years.

Take a drive from Kings Canyon National Park up to Yosemite and then on up the Sierra Nevada. There are HUGE stands dead trees.....killed by heat and drought. Its like tinder. Same thing in the coast range.

These forests are no longer in equilibrium with the current hotter climate. We're at the beginning of a transition to a different ecosystem that will be more in equilibrium with Californias hotter and drier climate. The forests in central and Northern California are going to burn off and be replaced by grasslands and dry rocky desert, like those seen today in southernmost California and Baja California.

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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 09 Nov 2018, 13:25:22

Plantagenet wrote:Much of California is going to go up, either now or in coming years.

Take a drive from Kings Canyon National Park up to Yosemite and then on up the Sierra Nevada. There are HUGE stands dead trees.....killed by heat and drought. Its like tinder. Same thing in the coast range.

These forests are no longer in equilibrium with the current hotter climate. We're at the beginning of a transition to a different ecosystem that will be more in equilibrium with Californias hotter and drier climate. The forests in central and Northern California are going to burn off and be replaced by grasslands and dry rocky desert, like those seen today in southernmost California and Baja California.

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Yep. That's basically it. The climate no longer 'likes' having trees around. I got to do my trip to see those trees one last time. I'm just waiting for the fires to die out. There seems to be only a couple of months where there are no forest fires burning in California, February-April, I think.
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby jedrider » Sat 10 Nov 2018, 13:30:26

9 Dead in Wildfire That Destroyed Northern California Town and Is Now the Most Destructive Fire in California History

Last year, 2017, was the Sonoma Tubbs fire which burned 5600 structures, which is now in second place.

This year, 2018 is the Paradise Camp fire which already has burned 6700 structures wins first place.

So, in just ONE DAY, before you even know what's happening, it all goes up in smoke.

If winds pick up again, then the even larger city of Chico could be in danger, which has a three times larger populatino.

And, of course, there is Malibu in southern California which is also experiencing destructive wild fires at the same time (probably because of the wind as well, which starts and then fans the wildfires).

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-11-09-northern-california-wildfire-camp-fire-paradise
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby jedrider » Sat 10 Nov 2018, 13:35:23

A good overview of the Santa Ana Winds (don't know if they have a name for it in Northern California, though).

At least 9 dead as fires spread at both ends of California
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/10/us/california-wildfires-camp-woolsey-hill/index.html

List of most destructive fires in California
http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/fact_sheets/Top20_Destruction.pdf

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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby GHung » Wed 14 Nov 2018, 19:30:15

PG&E could be in big financial trouble if it's found liable for California's Camp Fire

New York (CNN Business)If California electric utility PG&E is responsible for California's wildfires, it may not be able to afford the payouts it would owe.
PG&E disclosed in a regulatory filing Tuesday that it "experienced an outage" on a transmission line in Butte County at 6:15 a.m. on November 8 -- just 15 minutes before the Camp Fire that has so far claimed 48 lives broke out.
PG&E said the cause of the fire is still under investigation. But if its equipment is found to be responsible for it, PG&E "could be subject to significant liability in excess of insurance coverage" and that this could have "a material impact" on its financial results. ...

More: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/investin ... index.html
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 14 Nov 2018, 22:00:15

They're called El Diablo Winds in Northern California, possibly named such because we have a Mount Diablo as the highest nearby peak until one gets to the Sierra Nevadas.
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 14 Nov 2018, 22:21:45

GHung wrote:
PG&E could be in big financial trouble if it's found liable for California's Camp Fire

New York (CNN Business)If California electric utility PG&E is responsible for California's wildfires, it may not be able to afford the payouts it would owe.
PG&E disclosed in a regulatory filing Tuesday that it "experienced an outage" on a transmission line in Butte County at 6:15 a.m. on November 8 -- just 15 minutes before the Camp Fire that has so far claimed 48 lives broke out.
PG&E said the cause of the fire is still under investigation. But if its equipment is found to be responsible for it, PG&E "could be subject to significant liability in excess of insurance coverage" and that this could have "a material impact" on its financial results. ...

More: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/investin ... index.html

Cases like this were always interesting to me.

Whether it's that there is an unexpected equipment failure, drug side effect, or whatever, it seems to me that it should matter (A LOT) whether it was just one of those things that happens (i.e. act of God) OR there was any kind of cover-up of facts which would likely have prevented the problem. (VW would no longer exist if I had any say in the matter, for example.)

And for a public utility, if the equipment failure was at fault -- was it because the PSC (or similar) wouldn't allow the rate relief they requested to make the improvements, fixes, whatever for the equipment -- then shouldn't the PSC (and the government which made the rules for it) partially (or highly) responsible? And of course, if a high fire risk area -- concern for potential fire risks should be MUCH more concerning than a relatively low fire area, which the PSC should take into consideration.

I'm no lawyer, and don't claim to be. Just a layman with an opinion. It would be interesting to see what came out of such a case, if the equipment is found to be at fault for the fire.
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 14 Nov 2018, 22:28:41

jedrider wrote:I'm staying here until there's nothing left!

And if you're paying your insurance premiums yourself, or self-funding any rebuilding when a fire hits -- good for you.

What I object to is when folks live in a disaster prone area, where the same or similar disaster hits repeatedly, and they want government help each time they are financially damaged. (Flood prone areas are a classic example). How many such government gifts should they get?
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby GHung » Wed 14 Nov 2018, 22:31:53

It really won't matter. The costs will be socialized one way or another. Either way, the lawyers get you coming and going. And the energy slaves will get the short end of the stick.

I'm betting my insurance will go up again, considering 2018's big hits, and nothing much ever happens here.
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Re: Wildfires 2018

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 16 Nov 2018, 10:37:03

California wildfires: Number of missing leaps to 631

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46230927
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