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Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 01 Jun 2018, 14:54:16

Civilization's regret (under Capitalism): That it left any fossil fuels untouched and un-monetized.

It better hurry: Time is running out.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 01 Jun 2018, 15:16:50

Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 01 Jun 2018, 15:39:36

KaiserJeep wrote:Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom.
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You can deride peak oil all you want. But that yuppie getaway on THE 'Island' (tut tut tut lol) won't protect you. There will be 'deplorables' of all kinds just across the bay on the mainland, with lots of biodiesel and boats to come take what you have built.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 09:58:25

Climate change is over. No, I’m not saying the climate will not change in the future, or that human influence on the climate is negligible. I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest renewable-energy rent seekers.

Judged by deeds rather than words, most national governments are backing away from forced-marched decarbonization. You can date the arc of climate change as a policy priority from 1988, when highly publicized congressional hearings first elevated the issue, to 2018. President Trump’s ostentatious withdrawal from the Paris Agreement merely ratified a trend long becoming evident.

A good indicator of why climate change as an issue is over can be found early in the text of the Paris Agreement. The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’ ” Another is Sarah Myhre’s address at the most recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, in which she proclaimed that climate change cannot fully be addressed without also grappling with the misogyny and social injustice that have perpetuated the problem for decades.


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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 11:07:37

I always thought it was a mistake to include any notion of justice in a climate agreement. How foolish of all concerned.

The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’


It would have been far simpler if they just said "You Die!" as reason enough. Far too late anyway.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 11:44:42

Yes, I’ve heard that “argument” before, “We can’t fight climate change in a world that tolerates social injustice.”

Unfortunately any serious attack on climate change will hurt billions. I see no way around it.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 12:09:27

jedrider wrote:I always thought it was a mistake to include any notion of justice in a climate agreement. How foolish of all concerned.

The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’


It would have been far simpler if they just said "You Die!" as reason enough. Far too late anyway.


Yes climate change urgently needs to be decoupled as a liberal agenda. Not only because it is ecologically unsound to promote social justice for all but also to move this issue slowly toward universal acceptance.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 15:35:21

Newf, you seem to now be spewing KJ's absolute and utter bs.

How does the population switching to a largely plant-based diet 'hurt billions'?

How does people largely giving up air travel 'hurt billions'?

Yet these two would go a long way to reducing the speed and ferocity of the consequences of Climate Chaos, chaos that will indeed 'hurt," indeed kill, billions!
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 19:22:54

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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Jun 2018, 19:34:24

dohboi wrote:Newf, you seem to now be spewing KJ's absolute and utter bs.

How does the population switching to a largely plant-based diet 'hurt billions'?

How does people largely giving up air travel 'hurt billions'?

Yet these two would go a long way to reducing the speed and ferocity of the consequences of Climate Chaos, chaos that will indeed 'hurt," indeed kill, billions!


You should go back and read KJs posts. Lots for you to learn there.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 04:05:25

April 2018
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Scripps Oceanography and NOAA announced this week that average levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere exceeded 411 parts per million in May. That’s a new record. And their studies show that the rate of CO2 increase is accelerating. To read more visit here.

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And, the contiguous U.S. also had its warmest May on record. In fact, each and every state in the U.S. was warmer than the average May in the 124-year record.....
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 08 Jun 2018, 06:38:36

jedrider wrote:I always thought it was a mistake to include any notion of justice in a climate agreement. How foolish of all concerned.

The “nonbinding” pact declares that climate action must include concern for “gender equality, empowerment of women, and intergenerational equity” as well as “the importance for some of the concept of ‘climate justice.’


It would have been far simpler if they just said "You Die!" as reason enough. Far too late anyway.

I think this whole issue of social justice re: CC is ridiculous. It is not India or the US or whatever country that is warming it is the entire planet and we do not get to chose which areas will be most affected. Nature will do that. We lost the chance to enact any social justice when we passed 2 billion or so and now that we have destabilized the PLANETS climate. As for attempts to adapt, well I do not expect anybody to come to the rescue of anybody else. At best people sharing local areas will help each other. When finally WE emerge from the bottleneck, things may begin to be better for the survivors but the going through it will be analgous to a woman giving child birth quite quite painful.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 19 Jun 2018, 07:41:45

May 2018 Broke Thousands of Temperature Records Across the US
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 17 Jul 2018, 12:36:00

“It’s most cool and foggy down in the Bay,” he said of the San Francisco Bay. “You have a sea breeze coming in. But above the sea breeze some of the driest air in North America is coming in. Up in the hills it’s super dry.”

Changes in fire behavior have consequences both for firefighters and for people who live near open spaces, said Anthony.

“What we thought was normal or average isn’t normal anymore,” he said. “We have to change our thinking.”


https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/Here-s-What-s-Been-Different-About-Fires-This-Year-13072815.php

It's originally a NYTimes article. I think CHANGE is the key. Change that is unexpected and that doesn't conform to our linear way of thinking and comparing.
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 21 Jul 2018, 20:04:52

Be Zero Hour their Finest Hour! M_B_S
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Re: Climate Chaos Is Here Pt. 4

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 22 Jul 2018, 01:04:04

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