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Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Re: Study: Economic Inequitey Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 08:03:04

"...danger for the crazy elites as crazy prols enlightened workers become even more disenfranchised and angry"

Fixed that for ya! :-D :-D
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Re: Warning to Humanity -second notice

Unread postby jawagord » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 08:36:22

Space elevator in 15 years predictions pop up every decade, about half the frequency of the "we have 5 years to fix climate change or we're doomed" predictions.

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/jul/cover
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Re: Study: Economic Inequitey Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 10:01:33

And...talk about inequity...

Here's an excellent long-read on the current state of mid-Appalachian coal country, and how it came to be that way.


The 100-year capitalist experiment that keeps Appalachia poor, sick, and stuck on coal


https://qz.com/1167671/the-100-year-cap ... k-on-coal/

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Re: Study: Economic Inequitey Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 10:28:07

dohboi wrote:Mods, please correct spelling in the title to 'Inequity'. Thanks.


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Re: Study: Economic Inequitey Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby GHung » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 11:37:49

dohboi wrote:And...talk about inequity...

Here's an excellent long-read on the current state of mid-Appalachian coal country, and how it came to be that way.


The 100-year capitalist experiment that keeps Appalachia poor, sick, and stuck on coal


https://qz.com/1167671/the-100-year-cap ... k-on-coal/

(Thanks to sig at asif for this)


That's quite the read, Dohboi. Thanks. I used to do some contract work in W.Va. coal country and what I saw there was one thing that led me to going off grid. The one thing I could do was to minimize my use of coal, for a lot of reasons. I once had to make an equipment delivery to Charleston and I-64 was closed due to a bad accident, so I hit the old highways trying to get around the mess. What I saw (besides old highways and bridges in simply awful condition) was mile after mile of coal-field squaller, largely abandoned towns, and horrific mountaintop removal. And Trump promises to to make that part of America great again:

It turns out, Trump’s campaign promises weren’t just talk. In August, the Trump administration halted a comprehensive study, launched by the National Academy of Sciences in early 2017, to assess the health effects of mountaintop removal, citing cost concerns. Meanwhile, Trump appointed as head of the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration a former CEO of a coal company with a record of repeated safety violations, including at a mine where a preventable accident killed a miner in 2011. His energy department is investigating ways to force utility companies to subsidize coal company profits, reported Slate in Oct. 2017.


It's like District 12 up there. Really 'great'. Anyone traveling that area should get off the interstates and see what their electric bills and tax dollars are paying for. Or just see it from space: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9678123 ... a=!3m1!1e3
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 13:40:11

Thanks for the fix, T, and for the great, if horrific, story, GH.

Just got to leave you with a relevant old song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2keQVXn36M
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Re: Warning to Humanity -second notice

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 14:31:25

The difference is that we now have composite alloys and carbon fiber cabling to actually meet the required specs. I'm not saying this will happen in the next century, but I believe it will sometime after that. I'm a person who remembers propeller driven airliners, and the wonder of the Boeing 707 in an age when most Middle Class people travelled on railroads, before the interstate highway system was built.
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Re: Warning to Humanity -second notice

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 14:39:30

I admit that my curiosity most peaks with advances in Bio-genetics and Cybernetics along with Warp drives and Worm holes
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 02 Jan 2018, 16:55:13

And while we're on subject, inequality obviously has many other...downsides:

Inequality drives murder

Inequality predicts homicide rates “better than any other variable”, says Martin Daly, professor emeritus of psychology and neuroscience at McMaster University in Ontario ...


http://economichardship.org/archive//th ... nd-respect

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Re: Study: Economic Inequitey Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 02 Jan 2018, 18:41:21

GHung wrote:It's like District 12 up there. Really 'great'. Anyone traveling that area should get off the interstates and see what their electric bills and tax dollars are paying for. Or just see it from space: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9678123 ... a=!3m1!1e3


The strip mines are are glaringly obvious in satellite view. Looks much like the clear cuts here in timber country. Miles of bare dirt and destruction. Thankfully new trees take root almost immediately in a clear cut, especially if the timber companies replant. A forest will certainly reappear in a decade or two. Not so in a strip mine.

The coal company will apply a cosmetic layer of soil. The coal companies will say 'look at the pretty field, its all green" But it lies. Nothing of consequence will grow back other than dry land shrubs and grasses. The underlying rock structure replaced by rubble and sand. Water percolates, or worse goes anaerobic in pulverized veins of new clay. The remaining debris will shift perhaps as a landslide wash into streams and clog them. Life there has been reduced, homogenized. Entropy in the Appalachians. :cry:
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 02 Jan 2018, 19:11:49

Well put, p. Deeply tragic, indeed!
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 02 Jan 2018, 19:17:16

dohboi wrote:Well put, p. Deeply tragic, indeed!

Thanks! See, I am not a Koch Brother afterall. I care deeply for the green planet earth. It is our Mother.

As an aside . . . our wanton consumption of precious petroleum is also deeply tragic. It was a one-time gift, granted for a short time by Her Majesty Gaia, the Queen of Earth. We are blowing that gift on crap. Shameful stuff. :x
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 02 Jan 2018, 20:23:59

pstarr wrote:I care deeply for the green planet earth.


Oh? Why are you still driving an ICE vehicle then?
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 02 Jan 2018, 20:32:34

asg70 wrote:
pstarr wrote:I care deeply for the green planet earth.


Oh? Why are you still driving an ICE vehicle then?

For the same reason you do. I don't have the money or interest to be an early adopter.

I also have a more nuanced appreciation (than you) of the limits of the technology, which would preclude me from stuffing my middle-class green pretension is people's faces.
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 02 Jan 2018, 22:25:12

I can't remember which wise green said it, but, "The most ecological car is the car you own (or none at all)."

Given the built in ecological cost of both ICE and EV cars, rushing out to buy one instead of making whatever car you have last as long as ever you can is a bad eco-decision (in most cases).
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 03 Jan 2018, 00:01:52

dohboi wrote:I can't remember which wise green said it, but, "The most ecological car is the car you own (or none at all)."

Given the built in ecological cost of both ICE and EV cars, rushing out to buy one instead of making whatever car you have last as long as ever you can is a bad eco-decision (in most cases).

Gotta agree with that. We drive a 1997 Volvo station wagon. Not well known. . .the engine was built by Porsche. Real cherry :) Volvos were good for 500k+ miles. We'll see if this 'newer' model holds up
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Re: Study: Economic Inequity Spawn Eco-Destruction

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 03 Jan 2018, 00:03:19

pstarr wrote:I don't have the money


So the EV FUD is just envy. I get it.
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