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Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Sun 23 Dec 2018, 22:17:25
by rockdoc123
Looks like state television informed the head of state that all the big words in Mattis' letter meant he, trump, is a threat to the “security, prosperity and values,” of the US. Having been so advised, corporal bone-spur twitter-dismissed him early.


as Cog noted it is standard practice in businesses that when someone turns in their notice they are asked to leave immediately. There are many reasons for that but the main one is having a disgruntled employee hanging around for a couple of weeks doesn't get you anywhere, sows dissent and is basically uncomfortable. The security risk is also significant. Hence Mattis being shown the door. I think it is a totally reasonable response.

You folks need to get over your Trump derangement syndrome. Not everything he does is incorrect.

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 01:21:46
by Pops
trump tweeted on Thursday that Mattis was, “retiring, with distinction, at the end of February,”.

So which is it, he had to have someone explain "how things are done in business" or had to have someone explain that Mattis said he was a threat?

It must be disheartening to feel like you need to come up with excuses for every twitter tantrum from someone so ill suited to be a mayor, let alone our president.

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 07:02:34
by Cog
Sorry your girl lost Pops.

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 13:20:13
by asg70
Plantagenet wrote:By signing the DOD order to carry out Trump's strategic decision to declare victory and pull out of Syria, Mattis is now complicit in the decision. This makes it seem like his resignation wasn't triggered by the decision to withdraw


My god the mental backflips you jump through in order to spin things this way and that. You really believe this dogshit? Do you expect anyone else to buy it? What a reality-distortion-field you live in.

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 13:22:11
by Plantagenet
NPR had a story about the Kurds this morning. They had a reporter there in Syria, and after the usual Trump bashing they discussed what the Kurds were going to do to defend themselves from the Turks after the US troops pull out.

"Oh"...said the Kurd......"we'll have to find someone to replace the US troops. We've been talking with the Syrian government about joining forces to defend Syria from the Turks."

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What exactly is so bad about the Kurds in Syria joining forces with the Syrian government to defend their country from the Turks? Isn't that a step towards peace? Doesn't that make perfect sense?

Shouldn't the Syrians be the ones defending Syria? Why in heck is that the job of US troops?

If pulling US troops out of Syria triggers reconciliation and peace between Syrian Kurds and the Syrian government.....then that is a GOOD THING!!!

Cheers!

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 13:37:54
by asg70
Plant, it's not whether or not the pullout is a good thing. It's the fact that whatever Trump decides to do, good or bad, you will defend it in pure tribal/cult-like fashion, because he's your flavor of the month. And the inverse, like with Obama, is also true. That's how your mind works and everyone can spot it a mile away, which is why your political analysis here isn't worth a hill of beans.

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 13:48:49
by Cog
I thought the left believed in "No Blood for oil" meme.

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Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 15:03:03
by Plantagenet
The whole reason we are in Syria is Obama's idiotic idea that we should get involved in overturning the Syrian government. So Obama sent in the CIA to arm and train the Islamist rebels.. But then the Islamists turned into ISIS and Obama had to send in US troops. And that did't work out either.

Well, So Obama's plan didn't work out. So what. Nothing new in that.

Its time to admit obama's plan was stupid and wrong and its time to pull out and turn Syria back over to the Syrian government. The Caliphate is destroyed and ISIS is reduced to another crazy islamist ideology now.

Now its time to make friends with the Syrian government. At least they aren't crazy jihadis and Islamists like the people Obama wanted to install to run Syria.

Cheers!

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 16:24:12
by asg70
Plantagenet wrote:The whole reason we are in Syria is Obama...


Plant, admit it. You died years ago and this is just a bot taking your place.

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Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Mon 24 Dec 2018, 19:10:13
by Plantagenet
asg70 wrote:[Plant, admit it. You died years ago and this is just a bot taking your place.


mos/ennui/asg, admit it. You were declared brain dead years ago and this is a bot taking your place.

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Enough of that. Your psychotic trolling has gotten so icky that even mirroring it back at you is tedious, especially now that it is Christmas. Soooo---I will just rise above it all and spread peace and light instead.

In the spirit of the holiday season---the season of forgiveness--- I forgive you mos/ennui/asg. I want to wish everyone here at PeakOil.com a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.

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Cheers!

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2018, 16:56:30
by Newfie
A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to all.

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2018, 12:51:33
by Plantagenet
As US troops align, Kurds in Syria make peace with the Syrian government.

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If the Turks invade Syria to attack the Kurds now, they'll be fighting both the Kurds AND the Syrian government forces.

This move by Trump is turning out to be brilliant. By reversing Obama's idiotic policy of trying to topple the Syrian regime, Trump has created the conditions for PEACE in Syria with the ongoing reconciliation between the Kurds and Syrian regime.

Turkey already has troops in Syria, and they may try to expand the area they hold. But now they'll have to face both Kurds AND the Syrian regime, and the US can still help out with air support if Trump decides it is in our own best interests to do so.

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The reconciliation between the Kurds and the Syrian regime engineered by Trump should largely end the civil war in Syria.

Cheers!

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Sat 12 Jan 2019, 19:18:08
by Newfie
Salon article, if you can stomach the adds.

https://www.salon.com/2019/01/09/god-he ... something/

Donald Trump - like John Walker and Vladimir Lenin?

Unread postPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2019, 17:41:37
by lpetrich
In the early decades of the Soviet Union, some people spied for it because they believed in its system. Spies like Klaus Fuchs, for instance. But some more recent spies did it because they needed the money. Spies like John Anthony Walker - Wikipedia:
While stationed on the nuclear-powered Fleet Ballistic Missile (FBM) submarine USS Andrew Jackson in Charleston, South Carolina, Walker opened a bar, which failed to turn a profit and immediately plunged him into debt.[1]

Walker began spying for the Soviets in late 1967,[8][9] when, distraught over his financial difficulties, he walked into the old Soviet embassy in Washington, D.C., sold a top secret document (a radio cipher card) for several thousand dollars, and negotiated an ongoing salary of $500 to $1,000 a week.[1]

He was eventually caught and found guilty, and he died in prison.

Looking at Donald Trump, in the 1990's, his business failures made it hard for him to get loans to start new businesses. But he then got bailed out by rich people from Russia and other ex-Soviet nations (How Russian Money Helped Save Trump’s Business – Foreign Policy).

That raises a very serious question. Did that bailout include some quid pro quo? Given the numerous contacts with Russian officials by his associates, one has to suspect that. Contacts documented in The Moscow Project and Links between Trump associates and Russian officials - Wikipedia. This Russian support for him apparently extended to electioneering that helped get him elected: Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

Re: Donald Trump - like John Walker and Vladimir Lenin?

Unread postPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2019, 17:49:09
by lpetrich
I recently found a possible missing piece of the puzzle. Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia - The New York Times
Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

It would be a great payoff for Vladimir Putin, something great for him in return for those bailouts and that electioneering.

It is not just NATO.
he president has repeatedly and publicly challenged or withdrawn from a number of military and economic partnerships, from the Paris climate accord to an Asia-Pacific trade pact. He has questioned the United States’ military alliance with South Korea and Japan, and he has announced a withdrawal of American troops from Syria without first consulting allies in the American-led coalition to defeat the Islamic State.

By doing that, the US would become more internationally isolated, and thus weaker. Something that Putin would be very happy to see.

Trump gets along with Putin much better than he does with fellow leaders of democratic nations. By contrast, Barack Obama and Angela Merkel are good friends.

Re: Donald Trump - like John Walker and Vladimir Lenin?

Unread postPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2019, 18:09:23
by KaiserJeep
The NATO issue is that of the 28 members, only 5 countries have met the NATO funding target of 2% of GDP:
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The chart is deceptive in the sense that it conceals the fact that the US funding is the major portion of the NATO budget, since our GDP is very large compared to the other member nations.

Then there is the fact that the only nation that ever invoked the NATO mutual defense treaty was the U.S., in the wake of the 9/11/2001 attacks. NATO countries with a very few exceptions declined to participate in the Gulf War 2.

The U.S. clearly gains nothing by being in NATO. Let them get along without us.

Re: Donald Trump - like John Walker and Vladimir Lenin?

Unread postPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2019, 18:13:59
by Cog
lpetrich wrote:I recently found a possible missing piece of the puzzle. Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia - The New York Times
Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

It would be a great payoff for Vladimir Putin, something great for him in return for those bailouts and that electioneering.

It is not just NATO.
he president has repeatedly and publicly challenged or withdrawn from a number of military and economic partnerships, from the Paris climate accord to an Asia-Pacific trade pact. He has questioned the United States’ military alliance with South Korea and Japan, and he has announced a withdrawal of American troops from Syria without first consulting allies in the American-led coalition to defeat the Islamic State.

By doing that, the US would become more internationally isolated, and thus weaker. Something that Putin would be very happy to see.

Trump gets along with Putin much better than he does with fellow leaders of democratic nations. By contrast, Barack Obama and Angela Merkel are good friends.



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Re: Donald Trump - like John Walker and Vladimir Lenin?

Unread postPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2019, 18:15:34
by lpetrich
Now for the Vladimir Lenin analogy. Lenin had been a Russian revolutionary activist who fled into exile in western Europe after being exiled in Siberia for a few years. Early in 1917, he was living in Zürich, Switzerland. Russia entered World War I to help Serbia by attacking Germany and Austria-Hungary. But Germany beat Russia rather badly, and Russia's economy started to falter rather badly. Ordinary people were starving, and many soldiers deserted and mutinied. By early 1917, it seemed like a full-scale revolution. Tsar Nicholas II abdicated on March 15, and he was succeeded by the Provisional Government.

Lenin wanted to join the revolution, but getting to Russia was difficult. A colleague made a deal for him to cross Germany in a sealed train. German officials were already distributing propaganda to Russian troops, and they were happy at the thought of further destabilization that a big-name revolutionary would likely cause.

So he and 31 associates departed Zürich on April 3, and they changed trains to a commandeered military train on the German border. That train was diplomatically sealed but not physically sealed. The train made its way across Germany to Sassnitz on the Baltic Sea. They then took a ferry to Sweden, went north to the Finnish border, crossed over into Finland, and eventually arrived at Finland Station in St. Petersburg / Petrograd on April 15.

He got to work, promising among other things, peace with Germany, unlike the Provisional Government keeping the war going. Late that year, he and his fellow Bolsheviks overthrew the Provisional Government, and they soon ended up fighting their opponents in the Russian Civil War, which ended in 1921.

But they did not forget about peace with Germany, and on March 3, 1918, they signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Germany and Austria-Hungary got the westernmost parts of the Russian Empire -- the most industrialized parts. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Russian parts of Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova.

To Germany's leaders, it was a big triumph, I'm sure, since it was a lot more than what they might reasonably have expected when they sent Lenin in a sealed train through their territory.


It seems to me that Vladimir Putin had supported Donald Trump for much the same reason, with a similar hoped-for outcome.

Re: Donald Trump - like John Walker and Vladimir Lenin?

Unread postPosted: Wed 16 Jan 2019, 18:22:00
by Cog
Not long ago the left loved Russia and all things Russia. Said America should adopt their communist ways. But where did the love go? LOL

You have went full retard with the Trump hate Ipetrich. Never go full retard. Have you overdosed on CNN or something?

Re: Trump pulls US troops out of Syria

Unread postPosted: Thu 17 Jan 2019, 03:10:28
by asg70
Plantagenet wrote:This move by Trump is turning out to be brilliant.


Um, yeah. Mission accomplished.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics ... index.html