pstarr wrote:Oily, it should be clear to all objective, even minimally knowledgeable, viewers what you attempt to do. CLOUD THE ISSUE. This graph has nothing to do with U.S. Gulf gas hydrates.
God man, you are truly, utterly clueless.
You said:
pstarr wrote:Thanks to Oilfinder and his linked studies it has become clear that dispersed sediment/permafrost hydrates in sand substrates have never been exploited, that no technologies exist to do so, and that commercial production (however unlikely) is years away. Given the fact that peak oil production is current or imminent it is highly unlikely that hydrates could be a useful mitigation . . .
Now let's see . . .
OF2 posts articles and information on GOM
methane hydrates.
pstarr says this will not mitigate peak
oil because production is in the future (if at all), not NOW, and the technology is not developed.
Notice that pstarr did not say that
methane gas, in and of itself, cannot mitigate peak
oil, he qualifies his objection by citing the
timing and technology of "methane hydrates" as being unable to mitigate peak oil.
Thus, he does not dismiss methane gas as a potential mitigant for peak oil, it is "methane hydrates" which would be insufficient. By default, he has then admitted that methane gas, in and of itself, could possibly mitigate peak oil.
Seeing through his not-so-clever argumentations, OF2 posts a chart demonstrating, beyond any reasonable doubt, that US production of
methane gas has been going through the roof
even without methane hydrate production. In other threads OF2 has posted a wealth of information demonstrating that said
methane gas is abundant.
Now, out of nowhere, pstarr comes along and accuses me of clouding the issue. No, I am not clouding the issue, it is YOU who are (once again) dodging the point:
Methane gas - which you have all but admitted can be a mitigant for peak oil - is seeing greatly increased production and is abundant.
Even without gas hydrates being in production. This being the case, it does not matter if methane hydrates might be a decade or two away from production: It has already been proven that
other sources of methane gas are more than sufficient to serve civilization until these hydrates can be developed commercially.
You are a classic point-dodger. The only way you can get out of the corner you've painted yourself in is to claim that methane gas (in any form) is unable to serve as a replacement for oil. But you know that is not true: It can, and in many nations it increasingly is.