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Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Thu 28 Feb 2019, 00:02:09by Tanada
This is one of those scary scenarios. The thing is the USA has refrained from bombing any other nuclear power and they have done the same, until now. The closest the world ever came to this was the late 1960's when PRC-China and the USSR were shooting at each other with conventional weapons over a border dispute.
Now you have nuclear armed India sending planes to bomb inside nuclear armed Pakistan. Very easy for this sort of thing to get out of hand.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Thu 28 Feb 2019, 09:00:12by Newfie
Once in a while I read some India news, not closely. It’s easy to see that there have various military actions with folks getting killed. It never makes USA news. There was also recently some incident with China occupying a bit of some mountains and India deploying troops to the area.
So I think these border scuffles are more normal to India than we are used to. But also their AIR force has been hyping itself a bit lately, new fighters.
Not saying it’s no big deal, just that we can’t judge it by our Western standards.
My guess is that if Pakistan wanted a war with India the goal would be to secure the head waters of the Indus. But I think Pakistan would need a partner against India. But I could be wrong, lots of indinan would not fight, or perhaps use the diversion to act against the central givenment. It’s a big, diverse country with many internal batters. And fairly bat shit crazy.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Thu 28 Feb 2019, 09:43:18by Cog
China is pretty chummy with Pakistan right now. There is your partner for a fight.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Thu 28 Feb 2019, 12:55:01by Newfie
May be so, we will find out. China and India are natural competitors. Still not our fight. We should get the hell out of Afghanistan.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Thu 28 Feb 2019, 13:49:01by evilgenius
I wonder if this sort of thing will have a long term effect upon the number of ICBM's that China has? That number is determined by the sort of detente that China has reached with India. The Chinese have a limited number because the Indians have a limited number. If tension between India and Pakistan causes India to increase the number of nuclear tipped missiles they have, then the Chinese will increase theirs. This, in turn, would cause the US to do what? You know that the US would do something. I don't suppose it would come at a time when some corn pone semi-dictator who wanted to gain votes by antagonizing China with a nuclear build out was in power. It could. There is a lot of anti-Chinese sentiment in the US that won't be placated by trade wars or grand standing next to Asian leaders. That's just the sort of voter that a corn pone semi-dictator would want to service.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Thu 28 Feb 2019, 15:10:08by Newfie
Lots of news in India about this. Apparently NY Times said the air strike caused 0 or 1 casualty while in India theybare saying 300-350.
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/no-pol ... 207975.cmsPak used F-16’s, one shot down, India lost a MIG.
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... 5494/lite/A good overview of history and recent events.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pulwama_attack
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Thu 28 Feb 2019, 15:25:29by Outcast_Searcher
Tanada wrote:This is one of those scary scenarios. The thing is the USA has refrained from bombing any other nuclear power and they have done the same, until now. The closest the world ever came to this was the late 1960's when PRC-China and the USSR were shooting at each other with conventional weapons over a border dispute.
Now you have nuclear armed India sending planes to bomb inside nuclear armed Pakistan. Very easy for this sort of thing to get out of hand.
+1
As an American observing this, it's easy to sympathize with the rest of the world not being keen on American and Russian military actions, when they both have huge stockpiles of nukes. It's easy to root for the home team and wave flags -- harder to trust the other side.
Or even your "allies" when you need to spy on therm.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Mon 04 Mar 2019, 12:05:54by Newfie
A pretty good wrap up story doing some military comparison.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Mon 04 Mar 2019, 13:37:15by Newfie
Yeah, crazy, really. It’s a very different world view over there. Or maybe 15-20 different world views over there.
Re: India and Pakistan going Hot
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Mon 04 Mar 2019, 14:37:15by Cog
From what I can gather, both Pakistan and India developed their nuclear programs pretty much on their own. Once the science is understood, its just the mechanics of enriching uranium and designed a fissile core.
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Tue 09 May 2023, 17:22:36by Subjectivist
ISLAMABAD (AP) — Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Imran Khan was arrested and dragged from court Tuesday as he appeared to face charges in multiple graft cases, a dramatic escalation of political tensions that sparked violent demonstrations by his angry supporters across the country.
The arrest of Khan, who was ousted in a no-confidence vote in April 2022 but remains the leading opposition figure, represented the latest confrontation to roil Pakistan, which has seen former prime ministers arrested over the years and interventions by its powerful military.
At least one person was reported killed in clashes between protesters and the military in Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan province, with another five people wounded there, while about 15 injuries were reported amid similar violence in Karachi, Peshawar, Rawalpindi and Lahore. Police fired tear gas to disperse demonstrations.
Amid the violence, officials at Pakistan’s telecommunication authority said regulators blocked social media, including Twitter, and internet service was suspended in the capital of Islamabad and other cities. Classes at some private schools were canceled for Wednesday.
Khan was removed from the Islamabad High Court by security agents from the National Accountability Bureau, said Fawad Chaudhry, a senior official with his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, and then shoved into an armored car and whisked away.
Chaudhry denounced the arrest of the 71-year-old former cricket star as “an abduction.” Pakistan’s independent GEO TV broadcast video of Khan being hauled away.
https://apnews.com/article/pakistan-imr ... 57b0bc9a54
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Wed 10 May 2023, 00:04:48by Plantagenet
Joe Biden has the answer to Pakistan's problems.....he just set up a program that will pay $500,000 to teachers in Pakistan who focus on transgender youth.
biden-offers-500k-grant-english-teachers-pakistan-focus-transgender-youthI know it seems incredible given the fact that Pakistan has nuclear weapons and is now in danger of collapsing into political chaos and civil war, but Biden's main interest in Pakistan has been promoting transgender youth.
Cheers!
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Wed 10 May 2023, 10:16:37by Newfie
I was reading the WEF risk report.
They claim Pakistan lost 800,000 hectares or farm land in the recent floods.
That is nearly 2,000,000 acres.
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Wed 10 May 2023, 18:07:15by Plantagenet
The Pakistan army has just called out the army to quell unrest after the authorities there arrested the main opposition political candidate
This is why we can't have nice things......imran-khan-pakistan-arrest-unrest-army-mobilizedThis seems to be a new trend in failing democracies......the authorities arrest and prosecute the leading opposition candidate before an election to disrupt his campaign. Of course this raises real doubts about how fair the next election can be under these circumstances. Perhaps Pakistan is now actually a dictatorship just pretending to have elections......
Cheers!
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Wed 10 May 2023, 18:17:13by jato0072
This seems to be a new trend in failing democracies......the authorities arrest and prosecute the leading opposition candidate before an election to disrupt his campaign. Of course this raises real doubts about how fair the next election can be under these circumstances.
I would expect nothing less. Assuming Peak Oil decline; The powers that be are going to have trouble holding on to their power in de-growth scenario. IMHO, there will be no exceptions only differences in magnitude.
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Wed 10 May 2023, 22:58:56by careinke
Plantagenet wrote:The Pakistan army has just called out the army to quell unrest after the authorities there arrested the main opposition political candidate
This is why we can't have nice things......imran-khan-pakistan-arrest-unrest-army-mobilizedThis seems to be a new trend in failing democracies......the authorities arrest and prosecute the leading opposition candidate before an election to disrupt his campaign. Of course this raises real doubts about how fair the next election can be under these circumstances. Perhaps Pakistan is now actually a dictatorship just pretending to have elections......
Cheers!
I'm thinking the U.S. is following Pakistan's Lead.
Peace
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Thu 11 May 2023, 07:39:35by Newfie
Carinke
Read the WEF Flobal Risks Report - 2023.
https://www.weforum.org/reports/global- ... port-2023/Pay attention to the bits on polization.
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Fri 12 May 2023, 03:42:12by theluckycountry
High food prices drove the Arab spring revolutions I believe, Egypt jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire as many do when the military take control.
I'll pass on the WEF Flobal Risks Report, Down here in the southern hemisphere our major concern is avoiding the Roos that hop across the rural roads at night.
Re: THE Pakistan Thread (merged)
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Fri 12 May 2023, 20:46:06by Newfie
OK then, just watch Don't Look Up, very similar plot, more entertaining.