This muddles the arguments and makes them hard to understand. The other side is so entrenched in their religious dogma that they can’t see when they are bowing to make believe Gods. Both side feel righteous, which never won a debate, but has killed many in battle.
And this is where Greta is a part of the problem, as much as any CC denier she is increasing the emotional tension without increasing the collective intellect.
Newfie wrote:And this is where Greta is a part of the problem, as much as any CC denier she is increasing the emotional tension without increasing the collective intellect.
The Lone Ranger and Tonto were camping in the wilderness. After they got their tent set up, both men fell sound asleep. Some hours later, Tonto wakes the Lone Ranger and says,"'Kemo Sabe, look towards sky, what you see?"
The Lone Ranger replies, "I see millions of stars."
"What that tell you?" asked Tonto.
The Lone Ranger ponders for a minute then says, "Astronomically-speaking, it tells me there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo. Time-wise, it appears to be approximately a quarter past three in the morning. Theologically, the Lord is all-powerful and we are small and insignificant. Meteorologically, it seems we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. What does it tell you,Tonto?"
"You dumber than buffalo... It mean someone stole tent."
We do not need a society full of cerebral high IQ individuals. Just the priests and the creators have to be smart.
rockdoc123 wrote:We do not need a society full of cerebral high IQ individuals. Just the priests and the creators have to be smart.
you do need a society full of people with high enough intellect and will to figure out which "priests and creators" are completely full of horse crap though. Otherwise, you have a Jonestown scenario on a much larger scale.
NO, we really do just need smart mythologies.
rockdoc123 wrote:NO, we really do just need smart mythologies.
and who is the self-proclaimed arbiter of that? There is the problem, you have someone telling everyone..."I have the right answer" and if the masses are too stupid to figure out he has his head up his backside chaos ensues.
rockdoc123 wrote:We do not need a society full of cerebral high IQ individuals. Just the priests and the creators have to be smart.
you do need a society full of people with high enough intellect and will to figure out which "priests and creators" are completely full of horse crap though. Otherwise, you have a Jonestown scenario on a much larger scale.
Ibon wrote:rockdoc123 wrote:NO, we really do just need smart mythologies.
and who is the self-proclaimed arbiter of that? There is the problem, you have someone telling everyone..."I have the right answer" and if the masses are too stupid to figure out he has his head up his backside chaos ensues.
We have well functioning arbiters today that can function as guideposts. Our constitution for example. Parts of the bible. I am a secular atheist and I recognize that!
You first need a society humbled into submission with natural consequences to get back to a less cynical baseline. At the same time, as in our constitution, a set of checks and balances in place to prevent the chaos you speak of.
Like most of our generation, you hold a high level of cynical suspicion toward those who would be arbiters. That makes sense when you consider that all the pillars of our civilization have been corrupted; Our current religions, politics, private and public enterprise, media, etc. .etc.
I can understand it is hard to imagine an unbiased arbiter at this moment.
That may change with forces external of human agency acting as a giant humble pie in the face of our current set of beliefs.
Newfie wrote:Ibon wrote:rockdoc123 wrote:NO, we really do just need smart mythologies.
and who is the self-proclaimed arbiter of that? There is the problem, you have someone telling everyone..."I have the right answer" and if the masses are too stupid to figure out he has his head up his backside chaos ensues.
We have well functioning arbiters today that can function as guideposts. Our constitution for example. Parts of the bible. I am a secular atheist and I recognize that!
You first need a society humbled into submission with natural consequences to get back to a less cynical baseline. At the same time, as in our constitution, a set of checks and balances in place to prevent the chaos you speak of.
Like most of our generation, you hold a high level of cynical suspicion toward those who would be arbiters. That makes sense when you consider that all the pillars of our civilization have been corrupted; Our current religions, politics, private and public enterprise, media, etc. .etc.
I can understand it is hard to imagine an unbiased arbiter at this moment.
That may change with forces external of human agency acting as a giant humble pie in the face of our current set of beliefs.
Ibon,
As I’ve noted before, I hope you are correct but I’m having trouble seeing the feedback looks that make this work.
The_Toecutter wrote:Consumption culture is a symptom of a lack of real freedom
The_Toecutter wrote:People buy crap because it is the only expression of "individuality" they're allowed to have on a consistent basis.
The_Toecutter wrote:Get rid of all the restrictions on drug use, all of the restrictions on protest
The_Toecutter wrote:Counterculture figures like Carlos Castaneda and Timothy Leary and science fiction authors like Frederick Pohl and John Brunner, and even the much reviled manifesto author Theodore Kaczynski, all had good ideas to follow and understood this.
asg70 wrote:The more I read of your posts the less respect I have for you, especially when you hold a murderer like the unabomber up as an idol. I really think your mentality is part of the problem, not the solution, although you'll never acknowledge this, because you've developed an angry revolutionary mindset as you search for something external to blame for your own personal life circumstances.
asg70 wrote: Many of his supporters knew he'd be a bull in a china shop but they felt that by allowing him to trash Washington it would "drain the swamp", as it were. That didn't work out that well, did it? But that tends to be how society falls apart. The mob is a very blunt instrument.
In summary, while I don't like autocracies, I am an anti-populist. I have a very low opinion of the mob
asg70 wrote:I think there are two types of people in a world gradually winding down, those who focus on tending their garden and those who throw molotov cocktails. I just don't relate to the latter because I think in most cases conflict leads to equal or worse outcomes vs. the status quo.
Ibon wrote:I can well imagine that the required sobriety and humility of the high road will only follow after we plunge head first into the low road response.
Ibon wrote:These assets will continue to be valid measures but low crime rate and security will rise above all other assets as a priority. This will effect viability of communities to attract wealth and employment. This will put pressure on states to become more oppressive against mob rule.
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