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Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Mon 01 Jan 2018, 15:04:30
by dohboi
As global demand booms, a tax on meat may be a way of discouraging overconsumption and paying for the environmental damages of the livestock industry, a new report suggests. But critics believe it would disproportionately affect the poor.

Experts Say We Should Tax Meat Eaters the Same Way We Tax Smokers


https://futurism.com/experts-should-tax ... x-smokers/

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Mon 01 Jan 2018, 15:14:02
by Cog
Taxation solves everything.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Mon 01 Jan 2018, 15:19:17
by dohboi
Thank, C, I agree! :-D :-D

Except where outright rationing or banning is more appropriate, as with fossil-death-fuels!

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Sun 07 Jan 2018, 12:52:14
by dohboi
And...speaking of taxes...

Meat tax ‘inevitable’ to beat climate and health crises, says report

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ays-report

Laugh (and eat meat) while you can, monkey boys!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345uegSj-zQ

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 01:21:31
by Shaved Monkey
In Australia, a dry continent, free range, grass fed, meat production is done on land that is not suitable for any other form of farming.
Around here its beef country thousands of acres of farms the size of states with zero rainfall for 6 months of the year and floods for a few months of the year and rocky poor soils.
Sheep country is again fairly poor, dry land not suitable for agriculture.
Goat country is hilly scrub not suitable for agriculture.
And its not just feeding Australia its feeding lots of Asia and the Middle East
So to replace all these protein sources with vegetable protein would require lots of land clearing and lots of water and lots of diesel to run the machinery.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Mon 08 Jan 2018, 15:32:08
by dohboi
For the record, I don't give a rat's tush what the poorest 2 billion or so eat. They are not the problem.

I do know that most of the meat eaten by most of the top 20% (all of us) is mostly unsustainable, and the grains used to top most of the cafo stuff off could be used to feed many of the world's poor...but the delusional will continue to rationalize their own comfortable habits in the name of...whatever...

Are we ‘Beyond Meat’?

Unread postPosted: Mon 15 Jan 2018, 00:21:50
by AdamB

With the world’s population increasing, we’re increasingly seeing pollution and the mass consumption of land jeopardising the earth’s future for generations to come. Can we help? Slowly, people are realising the importance in nurturing the earth and what can be done to positively progress. Start-up ‘envirotech’ companies are using their knowledge of global warming to make a positive imprint on the earth. Many have gained the interest of some of the richest people in the world, allowing them to push their business further and create more awareness. Read on as we look at whether meat-free life could solve some of our problems. The global demand for meat A quarter of the world’s emissions are a by-product of the global food industry, part of that being meat production. With livestock being responsible for 18% of greenhouse gases and playing a large part in water


Are we ‘Beyond Meat’?

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Wed 04 Apr 2018, 23:07:22
by dohboi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... m-MpiFYpAQ

Why are vegans so weird?

(video, narrated by George Monbiot)

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2018, 07:03:12
by Cog
The shooter at youtube the other day was a vegan and a PETA supporter. I guess killing humans, at least for her, is not as bad as killing a cow.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2018, 08:24:36
by dohboi
Yes, that isn't about the wildly ready availability of guns in this country, nor about mental health of one particularly off-kilter woman...and while you're at it, why not drag out the the tired old cliche "Hitler was a vegetarian" canard as if there is any causal link between that and his rabid, genocidal lunacy. Hey, he also promoted exercise...maybe people who exercise are all potential little Hitlers! :-D

But while we're at it, there isn't really a contradiction between veganism and killing people. Yes, some vegans care for individual lives of animals more than individual lives of humans, but not to generally to the point of going on a shooting rampage (though it might be a good idea not to mess with gun-toting vegans ! :-D ).

But many are vegans because animal ag is such a big part of how humans are killing the planet, rather than about the suffering of any individual animal (human or non-). In theory, there would be no internal contradiction between their veganism and taking out an animal or two, human or non-. But I don't know of any vegans myself that aren't also pretty committed pacifist and general haters of all kinds of violence.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2018, 09:41:17
by onlooker
Correlation does NOT equal causation Cog. I do think one motivation of those who are Vegan is they are adverse to animal cruelty and killing. That line of thinking would indicate probably someone who is sensitive and adverse to violence in general among living beings.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2018, 18:13:15
by Peak_Yeast
A more precise and fair title would be - families larger than 2 children has killed the planet and our future.

Using meat as the the cause is totally idiotic and shows that the person has an agenda and ignores reality. If everybody was vegan and we got to be for example 20 billion people - the same problem would exist which means vegan is not a solution and thus cant be the cause.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 05 Apr 2018, 22:30:53
by KaiserJeep
Tasty looking goats in the pictue above.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Fri 06 Apr 2018, 05:52:46
by dohboi
Go find yourself a goat, KJ, then and lick it if they look so tasty to you! :lol: :lol: :lol:

PY's 'argument' is basically, "I don't want it to be true, therefore it can't be true."

C'mon guys, you can do better than this!

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2018, 18:21:54
by Ibon
This is one awesome meat eater. Filmed today at Mount Totumas. It inspired in my head a science fiction apocalyptic horror movie of a pepsid wasp that was exposed to nuclear radiation at Fukushima and mutated into a giant that then starts laying its eggs in humans and multiplies into the millions as it ravages the human population.

Enjoy......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhfrtNaCIZM

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2018, 16:49:37
by dohboi
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

8O

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Wed 02 May 2018, 15:27:37
by dohboi
https://www.nbcnews.com/better/diet-fit ... ns-n542886

"When it comes to climate change:

following dietary recommendations would cut food-related emissions by 29 percent,

adopting vegetarian diets would cut them by 63 percent


and vegan diets by 70 percent.
"

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 03 May 2018, 16:26:59
by Outcast_Searcher
dohboi wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/better/diet-fitness/vegan-eating-would-slash-cut-food-s-global-warming-emissions-n542886

"When it comes to climate change:

following dietary recommendations would cut food-related emissions by 29 percent,

adopting vegetarian diets would cut them by 63 percent


and vegan diets by 70 percent.
"

Just greatly reducing eating beef would help a lot, given the huge amount of land used per cow compared to, say, a chicken.

Why not try to get some realistic change made instead of endlessly pushing for everyone to become a Vegan. Because, realistically, when you can't get people to drive less, how realistic is forcing mass veganism on people?

Also, if cattle are a huge proportion of the problem, then you get a lot of "bang for the buck" by reducing beef consumption. If you're going to insist on veganism or even vegetarianism -- the vast majority of folks will simply ignore you.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 03 May 2018, 17:12:05
by Yonnipun
I can safely say that I would rather abandon car ownership than give up eating meat. It just tastes too good. The vegans eventually give up anyway, the studies show that 84% will start to eat meat again. I also would like to point out that there are people who are diabetics and meat and other animal products instead of carbohydrates are the only option for them to control blood sugar spikes through diet.

Re: Meat Eaters Are Killing The Planet

Unread postPosted: Thu 03 May 2018, 19:10:59
by onlooker
I have to say that Yonnipun post is a good example of how difficult it us to sway people to change their lifestyle to one they perceive as inferior to their current one. This is not to single out Y, as I myself even being given ample opportunity would be reluctant to change a few lifestyle preferences. Certainly everyone would need to make "sacrifices" As for the debate about Veg vs Meat eaters, it is apt to point out that this thread has attempted to point out the various negative ramifications of meat eating of which the ethical one is the most compelling. While rich world citizens get to eat meat, poor people in poor countries cannot afford sufficient food to maintain adequate health. And yes Overpopulation is a core overshoot issue but let us not pretend this situation is not occurring and not at its heart an ethical issue. Of course the entire issue of money and human quality of life is an ethical issue