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Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Thu 30 May 2019, 16:12:18
by dohboi
Glad to agree with Newf on the no expansion point.

Something along these lines might be part of the 'limited renewal' side of the equation, as long as they are modest/house a lot of people per sqft:

Chicago Winter Without a Furnace or Gas Bill: Passive Houses Make It Possible and are Slowly Catching On

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-chicago-w ... -bill.html

Canada allegedly holds claim to the first true passive house, then Europe took the idea mainstream before it eventually returned to the U.S. via the Urbana, Ill., Smith House in 2003.

"In a way it's come full circle," said Mike Knezovich, communications director at the Passive House Institute U.S. (PHIUS), based in Chicago. The organization's co-founder, Katrin Klingenberg, was the brains behind the Urbana prototype.

... Mary Chris Jaklevic and her husband, Roy Schuster, worked with Bassett-Dilley to build their Oak Park home in 2010. The couple didn't opt for official certification, but the home was built using passive methodology and functions as such, including the fact that is has no furnace. Heat comes from lighting, the sun, household appliances, cooking and even the residents' bodies. The house isn't even connected to a gas line, a common practice in passive building.

"I think that's one of the big factors that we underestimated was just how comfortable it would be to live in this house. It's a lot quieter because the walls are so thick and the windows are triple-paned," Jaklevic said. She also noted the high air quality and lack of drafts.

Chicago architect Mark Miller, who recently completed his first true passive build in Gull Lake, Mich., said one of the first questions people ask is whether they should worry about fresh air—are they going to suffocate? On the contrary, he said, because of the specialized ventilation system, the air quality is great, and people with allergies or asthma may even notice improvement in their symptoms.

Miller notes energy reduction as another obvious benefit, saying the savings can be upward of 85%. Or if the house were a car, he said, it would get 200 miles per gallon.

... Chertok thinks cost is a major barrier—builders without passive experience will often come in with high-priced project bids because the labor and materials aren't as familiar. But for architects and builders knowledgeable about the process, the cost is comparable, according to Knezovich. "People wonder if they can afford passive. The answer is yes," he said.

He and Bassett-Dilley agree that additional up-front cost for things like highly efficient windows and insulation (think 5% to 10% reflected in mortgage payments) is made up for in utility bill savings. Currently, passive certification doesn't grant homeowners a premium on their assessment, but various rebate, grant and loan programs exist in Illinois.

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Thu 30 May 2019, 16:47:25
by yellowcanoe
Canada allegedly holds claim to the first true passive house, then Europe took the idea mainstream before it eventually returned to the U.S. via the Urbana, Ill., Smith House in 2003.


This has to be a reference to the R-2000 standard that was introduced in 1982 in Canada. I have a friend who built several houses to that standard using different technologies. Aside from the energy savings, these houses are very comfortable because they don't have the drafts and cold spots associated with poorly insulated houses.

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Thu 30 May 2019, 21:56:55
by eclipse
They were making Earthships out of rubbish in the 1970's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship#History

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Fri 31 May 2019, 09:10:43
by KaiserJeep
eclipse wrote:They were making Earthships out of rubbish in the 1970's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship#History


Based on a PBS documentary I saw a couple of years ago, the majority of Earthship type structures were abandonned after a few years. The problem was excessive Winter humidity from cooking, bathing/showering, and breathing. Toxic mold growths (type depending on the soil used in construction) were the common problem. The "natural convection" ventilation, even when supplemented by wood-fired convection heat, was simply not enough to keep condensation off the buried ventilation piping. The structures are being re-designed to use fan-forced venting with solar PV and lithium batteries and small DC-powered fans.

Publicising such a "techy" solution to the biggest single problem is unpopular with Earthship fanboys.

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Fri 31 May 2019, 11:23:09
by Newfie
dohboi wrote:Glad to agree with Newf on the no expansion point.

Something along these lines might be part of the 'limited renewal' side of the equation, as long as they are modest/house a lot of people per sqft:

Chicago Winter Without a Furnace or Gas Bill: Passive Houses Make It Possible and are Slowly Catching On

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-chicago-w ... -bill.html

Canada allegedly holds claim to the first true passive house, then Europe took the idea mainstream before it eventually returned to the U.S. via the Urbana, Ill., Smith House in 2003.

"In a way it's come full circle," said Mike Knezovich, communications director at the Passive House Institute U.S. (PHIUS), based in Chicago. The organization's co-founder, Katrin Klingenberg, was the brains behind the Urbana prototype.

... Mary Chris Jaklevic and her husband, Roy Schuster, worked with Bassett-Dilley to build their Oak Park home in 2010. The couple didn't opt for official certification, but the home was built using passive methodology and functions as such, including the fact that is has no furnace. Heat comes from lighting, the sun, household appliances, cooking and even the residents' bodies. The house isn't even connected to a gas line, a common practice in passive building.

"I think that's one of the big factors that we underestimated was just how comfortable it would be to live in this house. It's a lot quieter because the walls are so thick and the windows are triple-paned," Jaklevic said. She also noted the high air quality and lack of drafts.

Chicago architect Mark Miller, who recently completed his first true passive build in Gull Lake, Mich., said one of the first questions people ask is whether they should worry about fresh air—are they going to suffocate? On the contrary, he said, because of the specialized ventilation system, the air quality is great, and people with allergies or asthma may even notice improvement in their symptoms.

Miller notes energy reduction as another obvious benefit, saying the savings can be upward of 85%. Or if the house were a car, he said, it would get 200 miles per gallon.

... Chertok thinks cost is a major barrier—builders without passive experience will often come in with high-priced project bids because the labor and materials aren't as familiar. But for architects and builders knowledgeable about the process, the cost is comparable, according to Knezovich. "People wonder if they can afford passive. The answer is yes," he said.

He and Bassett-Dilley agree that additional up-front cost for things like highly efficient windows and insulation (think 5% to 10% reflected in mortgage payments) is made up for in utility bill savings. Currently, passive certification doesn't grant homeowners a premium on their assessment, but various rebate, grant and loan programs exist in Illinois.



I think this is a great PERSONAL solution. I see no way we can move the vast majority of our population to this kind of housing. Maybe 50 years ago but probably too late even then.

But it does bring home the point that living in a temperate zone is a luxury.

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Fri 31 May 2019, 19:15:42
by eclipse
KaiserJeep wrote:
eclipse wrote:They were making Earthships out of rubbish in the 1970's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship#History


Based on a PBS documentary I saw a couple of years ago, the majority of Earthship type structures were abandonned after a few years. The problem was excessive Winter humidity from cooking, bathing/showering, and breathing. Toxic mold growths (type depending on the soil used in construction) were the common problem. The "natural convection" ventilation, even when supplemented by wood-fired convection heat, was simply not enough to keep condensation off the buried ventilation piping. The structures are being re-designed to use fan-forced venting with solar PV and lithium batteries and small DC-powered fans.

Publicising such a "techy" solution to the biggest single problem is unpopular with Earthship fanboys.


Wow! Thank you for that. I thought they looked so cool, but after reading this I investigated and if even the hippies over at a permaculture website are recommending other passive solar designs over these, then I'm removing Earthips from my blog!
https://www.thepermaculture.life/permac ... arthships/

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2019, 18:46:51
by phaster
eclipse wrote:
KaiserJeep wrote:
eclipse wrote:They were making Earthships out of rubbish in the 1970's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship#History


Based on a PBS documentary I saw a couple of years ago, the majority of Earthship type structures were abandonned after a few years. The problem was excessive Winter humidity from cooking, bathing/showering, and breathing. Toxic mold growths (type depending on the soil used in construction) were the common problem. The "natural convection" ventilation, even when supplemented by wood-fired convection heat, was simply not enough to keep condensation off the buried ventilation piping. The structures are being re-designed to use fan-forced venting with solar PV and lithium batteries and small DC-powered fans.

Publicising such a "techy" solution to the biggest single problem is unpopular with Earthship fanboys.


Wow! Thank you for that. I thought they looked so cool, but after reading this I investigated and if even the hippies over at a permaculture website are recommending other passive solar designs over these, then I'm removing Earthips from my blog!
https://www.thepermaculture.life/permac ... arthships/


doh!

guess I'll have to remove an earthship from my bucket list,... personally liked the free form look of the structure and wanted one on a permaculture farm

FWIW there is an artist here in SD county, that builds similar looking structures to earthships w/ out the internal gardens or up-cycled building material

http://ilanlaelfoundation.org/open-house/

https://www.hubbellandhubbell.com/portf ... sidential/

speaking of a permaculture farm,... someone mentioned to me there is a documentary I should to check out,... checked out the "trailer" and the visuals of the landscape are real-estate eye-candy

Telluride Film Review: ‘The Biggest Little Farm’

...With all due respect to former Vice President Al Gore, here is an inconvenient truth about most environmental documentaries: No matter how important the message, it’s kind of a drag to sit through so many alarmist lectures about how the world is going to end and what humans are doing to speed along its destruction. That’s what makes “The Biggest Little Farm” feel like fresh air for the soul — figuratively, of course, although audiences will almost surely breathe a little easier after tuning in to this inspirational story of one couple who made an impact by entirely rethinking their ecological footprint.

https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/t ... 202922977/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfDTM4JxHl8

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2019, 21:09:11
by eclipse
PHASTER DON'T PANIC!

There are stacks of other very very attractive eco-housing options for Powerdowners like yourself. You could even make it look like an Earthship, just don't use tyres in your walls. There are other options. I live in suburbia, but at the height of my own personal peak oil panic back in 2004 bought a bunch of books (down here in Australia) on ecovillages, alternate housing, survival, blah blah blah. Money wasted, especially now that so much of this is for free online. Google around, and if you ever do built it, please send me a PM of the photos! :-)

Also, MOVIE TIME! Here's an aussie permaculture movie associated with Ted Trainer.
http://simplicityinstitute.org/film

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2019, 15:42:20
by Newfie
https://gcaptain.com/u-s-hurricane-seas ... dangerous/

“It’s a start,” Sawislak said. “If we don’t want to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on recovering for disaster, we need to spend tens of billions [on resilience].”

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2019, 17:26:13
by Ibon
Newfie wrote:https://gcaptain.com/u-s-hurricane-season-is-unnecessarily-dangerous/

“It’s a start,” Sawislak said. “If we don’t want to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on recovering for disaster, we need to spend tens of billions [on resilience].”


This is very prescient actually. A resilient forward looking nation would grasp this immediately...... unless they are stuck in the inertia of denial.

Time to stop pretending we can stop climate change

Unread postPosted: Mon 09 Sep 2019, 00:22:22
by Plantagenet
Its time to stop pretending we can stop climate change.

Every day there is news of storms, fires, droughts, and floods larger then any seen before. Every year more glacial ice melts then we’ve ever seen before, and the sea level goes ever higher. And this is just the beginning.....its going to get much much worse.

In the last 30 years the world has put as much CO2 into the air as it did in the preceding 200 years, and the amount of CO2 going into the atmosphere increases every year. And its just going to continue to increase. The Chinese alone are adding the equivalent of all US CO2 emissions roughly every 10 years.

We might have had a chance of stopping climate change if the world had taken action in the 20th century, but instead our idiotic “leaders” cobbled together the phony Kyoto Accords, and the CO2 continued to accumulate in the atmosphere. Then we did the same thing with the phony Paris Accords.

And now its too late to stop climate change.

what-if-we-stopped-pretending

Its time to stop pretending we can stop climate change. Its time to think instead about how to retreat from the coasts, how to manage the flood of immigrants climate change is producing, how to minimize the effects of huge fires, and which islands to evacuate before the coming storms destroy the islands and kill hundreds of people.

Its time to stop pretending we can stop climate change.

Cheers!

Re: Time to stop pretending we can stop climate change

Unread postPosted: Mon 09 Sep 2019, 03:59:05
by Newfie
It good to see such blunt talk in major media. Especially for the Democrats who don’t understand their role in the fiasco.

Re: Time to stop pretending we can stop climate change

Unread postPosted: Mon 09 Sep 2019, 04:26:51
by Cog
Embracing global socialism will surely work to prevent this catastrophic outcome. We just have to be willing to destroy freedom and engage in selective genocide and all our problems will go away.

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Mon 09 Sep 2019, 06:59:21
by Newfie
Cog,

No one here is talking about genocide but you and your position will assure MORE people die.

As to the socialization bit, yes I see that, it’s a bias in the authors view point.

The greater point remains.

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Mon 09 Sep 2019, 07:06:52
by Ibon
Newfie wrote:Cog,

No one here is talking about genocide but you and your position will assure MORE people die.

As to the socialization bit, yes I see that, it’s a bias in the authors view point.

The greater point remains.


Well moving forward I think we will have our hands full figuring out how to keep capitalism working with a declining resource base and increasing instability of our biosphere rather than seeing the socialist boogey man behind every corner.

Re: Climate Change: Mitigation and Adaption

Unread postPosted: Mon 09 Sep 2019, 22:09:27
by asg70
IMHO, both hard left and hard right are focusing on the wrong things. The hard right is focusing on brown-tech solutions that are making the problem worse. Trump's anti-immigration policy is more of a serendipitous asset to lifeboat ethics than a sign that he gets it. The hard left is running McCarthy-like lynch-mobs and eating their own as they fixate more and more on perfecting virtue-signalling. The left may be environmentalists in theory but they are obsessing on things which are gong to be trivial in the end.