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Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 04 Mar 2019, 19:51:23
by jupiters_release
Not to mention any cooling is all geoengineered.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Wed 17 Apr 2019, 18:36:53
by dohboi
Thawing Permafrost Emitting Higher Levels of Potent Greenhouse Gas Than Previously Thought: Study

N2O "has conventionally been assumed to have minimal emissions in permafrost regions," the report said, citing research published in the 1990s.

But the new study's findings challenge that assumption.

A team of researchers, led by Harvard University scientists, used a small plane to measure greenhouse gas levels over 120 square miles of thawing permafrost in the North Slope of Alaska. They found that in just one month of 2013, emissions of nitrous oxide in the region reached what was previously believed to be the yearly total.

"This revelation could mean that the Arctic—and our global climate—are in more danger than we thought," explained a statement from Harvard


What is clear, though, is that "much smaller increases in nitrous oxide would entail the same kind of climate change that a large plume of CO2 would cause," Wilkerson said.

The team's findings align with other recent studies that have relied on chambers—or "covered, pie plate-sized containers planted into tundra"—or the extraction of cylindrical "cores" from the permafrost to measure greenhouses gases, according to Harvard's statement.

The new study, said Wilkerson, "makes those findings quite a bit more serious."

The findings also bolster experts' previous warnings that policymakers around the world aren't adequately considering the impacts of permafrost thaw in their plans—based on the goals of the Paris climate agreement—to cut down planet-heating emissions and prevent climate catastrophe.


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... ly-thought

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Thu 18 Apr 2019, 23:43:44
by longpig
Climate Science for the Layman - Professor Happer

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsTweZIRpos&t=10m48s
Climate science for the layman as Professor of Physics at Princeton University makes it simple.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Fri 19 Apr 2019, 20:34:27
by dohboi
"Happer ... has no formal training in climate science"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Fri 19 Apr 2019, 23:35:41
by dissident
dohboi wrote:"Happer ... has no formal training in climate science"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer


The usual denier kook. When a clown does not identify and quantify the supposed "natural causes" besides CO2 and other anthropogenic green house gases accumulating in the atmosphere, then he has negative credibility. Every single claim about natural causes trotted out by deniers has been debunked into oblivion. It's not the Sun (we know hat the TSI is) and it's not the clouds (no trends exist in the measurements). Then we have the mystical "variability" where kooks try to palm off ENSO type atmosphere-ocean heat exchanges as if they are some sort of contradiction to the net accumulation of heat by the combined ocean-atmosphere system.

The only factors controlling the global ocean-atmosphere heat content are:

1) Surface and cloud albedo. Orbital variations change the insolation pattern and surface albedo impact.

2) Radiative composition of the atmosphere which is dominated by greenhouse gases. Over 99% of the atmosphere (O2 + N2 + Argon) does not absorb IR radiation and thus does not maintain the temperature of the system. Water vapour is governed by the Clausius-Clapeyron relation. There are no runaway evapouration events on this planet. Water is more potent as an IR absorber compared to CO2 and if the mystical variability was a valid excuse, we would have self-bootstrapping of water vapour loading in the atmosphere. But it is just too cold in the upper troposphere and high latitudes for water to keep accumulating without condensation. The Earth had over 95% CO2 atmosphere and all the water in vapour form for millions of years after its formation. But there was net loss of heat in this system that eventually gave us oceans and CO2 sequestered into calcium carbonate rocks. At no subsequent time did we have water vapour driven warming events.

CO2 emissions from volcanoes are constrained and average about 600 million tons per year. Humans are emitting over 30 billion tons per year. But humans also emit N2O, PCFCs, SF6 and other greenhouse gases. Anybody looking for natural sources overshadowing human inputs is totally detached from a basic education and reality.

3) Solar flux, which is affected by orbital geometry to some extent.

We can constrain all three of these processes sufficiently to determine if warming is occurring and why. Internal heat exchanges between the ocean an the atmosphere do not warm the combined system, obviously. Nonlinear advective transport averages out in the global mean. In particular, there is no net movement of mass of atmospheric layers towards the ground or away from it (what goes up must come down). The denier talking point about some cold spell in their local neighbourhood is utterly irrelevant since as they freeze, somewhere else the permafrost is melting. The key word is global and that is all that matters since we are inside this global system.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Sat 20 Apr 2019, 01:11:15
by jupiters_release
dissident wrote:
dohboi wrote:"Happer ... has no formal training in climate science"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer


The usual denier kook.


He's very giddy, fidgety, and blinks way too much. He's not a denier, just a poor liar. Must be getting paid well for his services.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Sun 21 Apr 2019, 21:58:54
by longpig
There is no man made global warming. To become a climate scientist you have to toe the line otherwise you will not be hired or fired, their job is to push the notion on to the public, they do not engage in science. There is no such thing as carbon pollution, it is the same as pointing to a puddle and proclaiming the water there is pollution or the O2 is causing pollution. CO2 makes up just 0.0413% of the atmosphere where as water vapour generally comprises between 1%-4% and is a more potent green house gas than CO2. How can CO2 be the major cause of global warming when water vapour is on average 100 times more prevalent and a more potent green house gas?

Pull your heads from out of your arse, the debate is over and man made global warming is a complete hoax and fraud.

Try reading the FAQ here https://co2coalition.org/frequently-asked-questions/ for a starting point for your education.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 01:36:44
by clif
The George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington, D.C., think tank that has cast doubt on the science behind global warming for years, closed its doors in September.

The institute, which had a twin focus on defense and climate change denial and had been funded by a number of fossil fuel interests, including the ExxonMobil Foundation, morphed into a nonprofit called the CO2 Coalition in August.

The CO2 Coalition is headed by William Happer and William O'Keefe, CEO and former chief operating officer of the American Petroleum Institute, an industry group.


Nuff said..........

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 05:36:54
by yellowcanoe
clif wrote:
The George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington, D.C., think tank that has cast doubt on the science behind global warming for years, closed its doors in September.

The institute, which had a twin focus on defense and climate change denial and had been funded by a number of fossil fuel interests, including the ExxonMobil Foundation, morphed into a nonprofit called the CO2 Coalition in August.

The CO2 Coalition is headed by William Happer and William O'Keefe, CEO and former chief operating officer of the American Petroleum Institute, an industry group.


Nuff said..........


Well at least they had the decency to rename their organization. George C. Marshall was a very intelligent man so it is highly questionable that he would be a climate change denialist were he to still be alive today.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 08:14:03
by longpig
Thing I am most concerned about is declining habitat for wildlife, rapid decline of insects, over fishing. Those are the most important issues, things like plastics entering the oceans are bad too but over time they will degrade away and become pristine again, but if we lose our forests we'll lose all the unique plants and creatures in them and we'll never be able to get them back, I would prefer mankind to cease to exist before that completely ever happens.

I understand people wanting to help the environment by moving to green energy thinking they are helping the environment and even if that is possible, it won't do anything for the environment, people are focusing on moving to green energy that it will somehow allow economies to keep growing sustainably, this will not prevent the continual decline and eventual extinction of flora and fauna. The climate change agenda is pushed by government and media world wide with the goal of taxing western nations and allowing the third world to pollute to excess. The rapidly expanding third world developing populations and economies are responsible for the current environmental destruction today and for the foreseeable future.

40 million years ago the Earth was full of forests, there was life very similar to today, mammals were doing fine and men were monkey's then and the CO2 levels were well over 1000 parts per million in the atmosphere. The carbon cycle diagram they show as a closed looped system is not correct, throughout the cycle a percentage of carbon continually is trapped underground and if that process continues plants will eventually stagnate and die off. The only positive thing humans have done for the environment is the burning of fossil fuels and releasing the carbon gases that have become trapped under the Earth.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 10:08:00
by dohboi
lp, there is a special thread for comments claiming things like 'CC is a hoax.' Please restrict such comments to that thread, so that the adults in the room can carry on with an intelligent conversation. Thanks.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 12:39:04
by Newfie
It doesn’t much matter if he BELIEVE in AWG. If we did the things necessary to address his concerns then we would also address global warming. And he has a huge point the alternatives without energy reduction is just a different way of trying to maintain the status quo.

There are vast areas where your concerns overlap and you could easily joint hands in action.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 13:50:54
by onlooker
Newfie wrote:It doesn’t much matter if he BELIEVE in AWG. If we did the things necessary to address his concerns then we would also address global warming. And he has a huge point the alternatives without energy reduction is just a different way of trying to maintain the status quo.

There are vast areas where your concerns overlap and you could easily joint hands in action.

Rampant contamination/waste of and into the Environment and overpopulation are problems in themselves. It is not just CC. Alleviation requires both a reduction in population and consumption and a halt to Earth damaging technologies.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Mon 22 Apr 2019, 19:44:40
by Ibon
onlooker wrote:
Newfie wrote:It doesn’t much matter if he BELIEVE in AWG. If we did the things necessary to address his concerns then we would also address global warming. And he has a huge point the alternatives without energy reduction is just a different way of trying to maintain the status quo.

There are vast areas where your concerns overlap and you could easily joint hands in action.

Rampant contamination/waste of and into the Environment and overpopulation are problems in themselves. It is not just CC. Alleviation requires both a reduction in population and consumption and a halt to Earth damaging technologies.


Yes there are many forms of pollution caused by humans. This medium, the internet, is one of them.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Tue 23 Apr 2019, 20:57:15
by dohboi
We keep pushing an inherently unstable system beyond its breaking point, so it will inevitably break...

Oilsands CO2 emissions may be far higher than companies report, scientists say


https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/oils ... -1.5106809

And...this is where we are heading:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/extreme-co2 ... al-warming

Extreme CO2 levels could trigger clouds ‘tipping point’ and 8C of global warming


If atmospheric CO2 levels exceed 1,200 parts per million (ppm), it could push the Earth’s climate over a “tipping point”, finds a new study. This would see clouds that shade large part of the oceans start to break up.
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They found a striking result: in their simulations, stratocumulus cloud decks become unstable and break up into scattered clouds when CO2 levels rise above 1,200ppm. When these clouds break up they no longer shade the surface, triggering global warming of 8C – and as much as 10C in subtropical regions. This is in addition to the 5C or so of global warming above pre-industrial levels associated with 1,200ppm CO2.
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The authors find that once the stratocumulus decks have broken up, they only re-form once CO2 concentrations drop substantially, to below 300ppm.
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Despite a lot of public attention on tipping points, scientists have found limited evidence of them in climate models, at least over time-frames relevant to humans. The finding in this paper is important, say scientists, because it represents one of the first firm climate tipping points to come out of modeling exercises.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Thu 25 Apr 2019, 01:20:25
by longpig
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCU6bzRypZ4

Happer says the warming effect of CO2 is 2-4 times exaggerated and run away global warming is faulty idea and would not happen.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Thu 25 Apr 2019, 15:10:15
by asg70
Two clicks to debunk.

https://www.desmogblog.com/william-happer

Fossil fuel shill. Don't waste our time. We're not that gullible.

William Happer has accepted funding from the fossil fuel industry in the past. For example, in an email chain revealed as part of a undercover investigation by Greenpeace, Happer admitted he had been paid $8,000 by Peabody Energy for a 2015 Minnesota state hearing on the impacts of carbon dioxide. The funds were routed through the CO2 Coalition. [8]

“My fee for this kind of work is $250 per hour. The testimony required four 8-hour days of work, so the total cost was $8,000,” Happer wrote in the email. [114]

As part of a 2018 case where he provided supporting testimony for the side of fossil fuel companies against cities suing for damages related to climate change, Happer was required to disclose any funding he had received in the past. In these disclosures, Happer estimated the amount he received for the 2015 Minnesota testimony as “$10,000 to $15,000, though he does not recall the precise number.” [100], [101]

Happer also noted he had received $1,000 for a speech on climate change at the Heritage Foundation in 2017. [101]

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Fri 26 Apr 2019, 03:08:36
by longpig
No Greenpeace were setting him up, they posed as a power company wanting a report on CO2 and global warming. He said he would write a report for them but would not accept money from them, instead they could write a cheque to the co2 Coalition. He was just going to write what he believes to be true. He never accepted money like this and this offer was a fake fraud by Greenpeace and they used their fake fraud to claim he is accepting money from the fossil fuel industries. Greenpeace has been harassing him over their own fake manufactured claims

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tULDE_gYmuc
Climate denier confronted about funding from fossil fuel Peabody Energy moments before Ted Cruz's 'Data or Dogma' hearing on climate change. Greenpeace Researcher, Jesse Coleman, asks if Professor Happer has been paid by the fossil fuel industry for his testimony at the hearing. Happer denies and at one point replies, "You son of a bitch, I haven't taken a dime."

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Fri 26 Apr 2019, 09:02:31
by jupiters_release
I hope you're getting paid to post here, pig.

Re: Runaway Global Warming - Has Arrived pt 15

Unread postPosted: Fri 26 Apr 2019, 10:34:28
by rockdoc123
Fossil fuel shill. Don't waste our time. We're not that gullible.


you do realize that consultants don't work for free, don't you? Do you think that various climate change cheerleaders like Mann don't charge for appearances? Do we need to remind you of all the money that these guys have taken from the government and other funds in order to support their research and lifestyle?
Pot calling the kettle black I''m afraid.