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Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 17:32:41
by Plantagenet
Cid_Yama wrote:Hitler ....mass murder.... starvation ..... crap ......


Thats the third time you've posted about Hitler, Cid. I thought you had your Hitler thing under control! If you want to talk about your Hitler fantasies then start a thread about Hitler and post it there but don't divert other threads with your Hitler obsession, OK?

Allow me to remind you that this is the Geoengineering thread.

Please get a grip---don't divert the discussion here with more of your nutty Hitler fantasies ---- 8)

Lets restrict the talk to geoengineering, global climate change and related things...OK?

Cheers!

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We've already bioengineered the earth....its called global warming

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 17:33:10
by onlooker
I am afraid we do NOT have any more technological rabbits in our hat

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 17:35:16
by Plantagenet
onlooker wrote:I am afraid we do NOT have any more technological rabbits in our hat


Technology is evolving and improving at a rapid rate.

I agree global warming looks hopeless, but human nature is to keep fighting.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 17:39:55
by onlooker
Plantagenet wrote:
onlooker wrote:I am afraid we do NOT have any more technological rabbits in our hat


Technology is evolving and improving at a rapid rate.

I agree global warming looks hopeless, but human nature is to keep fighting.

I am sure we will and is commendable but AGW is a humongous locomotive which, at this point seems impossible to stop :(

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 20:09:20
by Plantagenet
onlooker wrote: AGW is a humongous locomotive which, at this point seems impossible to stop :(


Quite true. Still........

Lets see how the Harvard experiment I posted about above which will test the effect of adding aerosols to the upper atmosphere turns out. Volcanic aerosols quite quickly cool the planet by ca. 1°C after big eruptions. There is no reason why injections of aerosols by humans wouldn't operate the same way. It would be ungodly expensive, but maybe cheaper in the long run then letting the sea level rise and flood New York City.

Cheers!

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Thank you for cooling the planet!

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 20:30:41
by Subjectivist
Plantagenet wrote:
onlooker wrote: AGW is a humongous locomotive which, at this point seems impossible to stop :(


Quite true. Still........

Lets see how the Harvard experiment I posted about above which will test the effect of adding aerosols to the upper atmosphere turns out. Volcanic aerosols quite quickly cool the planet by ca. 1°C after big eruptions. There is no reason why injections of aerosols by humans wouldn't operate the same way. It would be ungodly expensive, but maybe cheaper in the long run then letting the sea level rise and flood New York City.

Cheers!

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Thank you for cooling the planet!



And what happens when the artificial cooling gets boosted by another big volcano and crops fail all over the planet?

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 20:42:04
by Cog
We get Weyland-Yutani corporation to turn on their atmospheric processor to keep things in balance.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 03:49:38
by Cid_Yama
Plant, I will continue to use any metaphor I deem appropriate. That includes mentioning Hitler in comparison if the shoe fits.

Every mention of Hitler or comparison to Hitler is not inappropriate. That's that partisan tripe trotted out by the fascists in this country to try to avoid being recognized for who they are. And you know who I'm talking about. They seem to be the only ones who have a problem with it. Capisce?

And the only one diverting this thread is YOU with your Trollish nonsense.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 09:25:13
by Cog
Godwin's Law strikes again. You can count on Cid to always deliver the goods. LOL

I saw Trump drink a glass of water. Hitler drank water as well. Trump is literally Hitler.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 12:18:07
by Plantagenet
Cog wrote:Godwin's Law strikes again. You can count on Cid to always deliver the goods. LOL

I saw Trump drink a glass of water. Hitler drank water as well. Trump is literally Hitler.


Cid's had a Hitler obsession for years. He's this site's own compulsive breaker of Godwin's Law.

AND its not just Trump---everything and anything makes Cid think of Hitler. Cid just has a thing for Hitler.

In this thread we were talking about science and geoengineering.....and even mentioning science triggered off a little grey cell in Cid's brain that made him post over and over again about Hitler. If it wasn't so weird it would be funny. :)

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This means you, Cid. :idea:

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 12:24:13
by Plantagenet
The 2015 UN Paris Climate Accords assume geoengineering

Paris accords impossible to meet without geoengineering

"One of the dirty little secrets of the IPCC is that it requires negative emissions," Long said, referring to the process of recapturing CO2 that has already been released. No existing models predict staying below the necessary levels, she said, which means that it's not enough to simply stop emitting carbon dioxide; further steps will need to be taken to remove what's already in the air.

Cheers!

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 14:30:49
by Cid_Yama
Just so everyone knows what the Trolls are on about: They immediately did their best to try to bury this post.
Plant doesn't get his attempts at intimidation don't work with me. Godwin's Law is right wing nonsense.

If the Trump Administration attempts to do this geoengineering after being warned by scientists of the deaths globally that will result, they will be the worst mass murderers ever to walk the planet. They will also be violating international accords that could result in war.

David Schnare, an architect of Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency transition, has lobbied the US government and testified to Senate in favour of federal support for geoengineering.

He has called for a multi-phase plan to fund research and conduct real-world testing within 18 months, deploy massive stratospheric spraying three years after, and continue spraying for a century, a duration geoengineers believe would be necessary to dial back the planet’s temperature.

Scientific modelling has shown that stratospheric spraying could drastically curtail rainfall throughout Asia, Africa and South America, causing severe droughts and threatening food supply for billions of people.

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We are talking mass murder. On a scale Hitler couldn't even dream of. By starvation and loss of surface water resources. All so we don't cut into Exxon's profits.

In fact, enhance Exxon profits by using their Geoengineering technology they so conveniently have already developed.

At some point someone has to stand up and shout NO!

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a socialist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me--

and there was no one left to speak out for me. - Martin Niemoller



So will the next version be:

First to die were the Indians, but I was not Indian

Then died the South Americans, but I was not South American

Next died the Africans, but I was not African

Now we are dying, and there is no one to save us

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 14:37:52
by onlooker
Cid, as you well know the captains of Crony Capitalism ie. Oligarchs have already much blood on their hands and much more will be on their hands as the living systems of Earth shutdown. Whether they go through with the geoengineering or not

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 14:48:09
by asg70
Cid_Yama wrote:Now we are dying, and there is no one to save us


I've looked back at some of your old posts and the general sentiment is that we're all gonna die anyway from AGW feedback loops. If the end result is the same, why is geoengineering mass-murder and the default trajectory of brown-tech and lifeboat-ethics not? It just seems like you're fishing around for some sort of cause you can wave the activist flag for when in the end we wind up pretty much exactly at the same spot. We all share the same planet and once we've broken the climate, we're FUBAR, period.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 15:45:16
by Plantagenet
Cid_Yama wrote:If the Trump Administration attempts to do this geoengineering after being warned by scientists of the deaths globally that will result, they will be the worst mass murderers ever to walk the planet. They will also be violating international accords that could result in war.


The Harvard scientists carrying out the geoengineering experiment received the funding for the work during the Obama administration.

Cid_Yama wrote: Hitler


sigh.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 20 Jul 2017, 11:09:07
by onlooker
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 47426.html
Carbon dioxide must be removed from the atmosphere to avoid extreme climate change, say scientists

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 20 Jul 2017, 13:31:49
by KaiserJeep
onlooker wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/carbon-dioxide-remove-atmosphere-climate-change-greenhouse-gas-scientists-jim-hansen-a7847426.html
Carbon dioxide must be removed from the atmosphere to avoid extreme climate change, say scientists


The problem with removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is that it requires lots of energy to do so. In fact, more energy than was released by the burning FF's that spewed the carbon in the first place.

Let me know when you have discovered such an energy source. Otherwise, we are wasting time.