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Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Wed 12 Apr 2017, 21:24:57
by Cid_Yama
David Schnare, an architect of Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency transition, has lobbied the US government and testified to Senate in favour of federal support for geoengineering.

He has called for a multi-phase plan to fund research and conduct real-world testing within 18 months, deploy massive stratospheric spraying three years after, and continue spraying for a century, a duration geoengineers believe would be necessary to dial back the planet’s temperature.

Scientific modelling has shown that stratospheric spraying could drastically curtail rainfall throughout Asia, Africa and South America, causing severe droughts and threatening food supply for billions of people.


We are talking mass murder. On a scale Hitler couldn't even dream of. By starvation and loss of surface water resources. All so we don't cut into Exxon's profits.

In fact, enhance Exxon profits by using their Geoengineering technology they so conveniently have already developed.

At some point someone has to stand up and shout NO!

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a socialist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me--

and there was no one left to speak out for me. - Martin Niemoller



So will the next version be:

First to die were the Indians, but I was not Indian

Then died the South Americans, but I was not South American

Next died the Africans, but I was not African

Now we are dying, and there is no one to save us


And if it curtails rainfall in China, do you think they will just lay down and die?

And India, might they not share their nukes to pay us back for what we did to them?


The cretin in the White House and his criminal cohorts need to go quickly.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Wed 12 Apr 2017, 21:45:12
by Plantagenet
Cid_Yama wrote:if it curtails rainfall in China, do you think they will just lay down and die?


Global warming is going to cause sea level to rise. That in turn will flood some of China's richest agricultural land. Do you think China is just going to lay down and watch as their land gets flooded and millions of Chinese are turned into climate refugees?

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese start their own geoengineering projects. For instance:

geoengineering-china-climate-change

Cheers!

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China is at great risk from sea level rise

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Wed 12 Apr 2017, 22:13:55
by dohboi
That area between Shanghai and Qingdao (Shandong province) is almost all at or below one meter above sea level, iirc. We will likely reach that by mid century, or shortly thereafter, no matter what we do now.

Sea level rises of multiple meters are now locked in.

People can move.

But they can't live on dirt.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 13:52:46
by Plantagenet
Cid_Yama wrote:We are talking mass murder. On a scale Hitler couldn't even dream of....


Are you by any chance related to Trump's Press Secretary Sean Spicer? He also talks about Hitler when it isnt' appropriate. :lol:

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Trump Press Secretary Sean Spicer.....another person who likes to talk about Hitler

Cheers!

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 14:33:48
by Cid_Yama
Except in this instance it IS appropriate.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 14:56:14
by asg70
Cid_Yama wrote:We are talking mass murder.


Causing climate change in the first place is already mass murder (or suicide). What's the difference?

As far as rainfall patterns, notice what happened with California until the lucky stroke of massive rainstorms that have put the drought at bay. So rainfall is already highly disrupted. As icepacks melt we'll have serious freshwater crises. Etc....

Cid_Yama wrote:At some point someone has to stand up and shout NO!


Should we also key Hummers while we're at it? How about bomb cell phone towers ala Derrick Jensen? Sent letter bombs ala the unabomber?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--


There's plenty of speaking out. Nobody's listening--hence Trump. Democracy at its finest.

The cretin in the White House and his criminal cohorts need to go quickly.


He was voted in fair and square, via the electoral college. Go convince his voting base that he "needs to go quickly". You're just saying that because you don't like him. Again, Democracy at its finest. We've met the enemy and it's us.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 14:59:05
by asg70
Cid_Yama wrote:Except in this instance it IS appropriate.


No, it's not, because it's an attempt to isolate certain specific individuals as boogeymen while ignoring the diffuse blame inherent in humans NOT being smarter than yeast. You're still locked in warmed over 1960s stick-it-to-the-man activism that pretty much had its last gasp in Al Gore and Copenhagen 2008.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 15:05:21
by Plantagenet
Harvard University scientists to test geoengineering next year

Harvard-scientists-test-atmosphere-protecting-aerosols

The Harvard Scientists are going to release very small amounts of various aerosols into the troposphere to test their potential to cool the planet to counteract global warming.

CHEERS!

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 15:11:47
by Cid_Yama
David Schnare, an architect of Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency transition, has lobbied the US government and testified to Senate in favour of federal support for geoengineering.

He has called for a multi-phase plan to fund research and conduct real-world testing within 18 months, deploy massive stratospheric spraying three years after, and continue spraying for a century, a duration geoengineers believe would be necessary to dial back the planet’s temperature.

Scientific modelling has shown that stratospheric spraying could drastically curtail rainfall throughout Asia, Africa and South America, causing severe droughts and threatening food supply for billions of people.


We are talking mass murder. On a scale Hitler couldn't even dream of. By starvation and loss of surface water resources. All so we don't cut into Exxon's profits.

In fact, enhance Exxon profits by using their Geoengineering technology they so conveniently have already developed.


An appropriate observation in context. You can take your partisan crap and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 16:32:41
by Plantagenet
Cid_Yama wrote:Hitler ....mass murder.... starvation ..... crap ......


Thats the third time you've posted about Hitler, Cid. I thought you had your Hitler thing under control! If you want to talk about your Hitler fantasies then start a thread about Hitler and post it there but don't divert other threads with your Hitler obsession, OK?

Allow me to remind you that this is the Geoengineering thread.

Please get a grip---don't divert the discussion here with more of your nutty Hitler fantasies ---- 8)

Lets restrict the talk to geoengineering, global climate change and related things...OK?

Cheers!

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We've already bioengineered the earth....its called global warming

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 16:33:10
by onlooker
I am afraid we do NOT have any more technological rabbits in our hat

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 16:35:16
by Plantagenet
onlooker wrote:I am afraid we do NOT have any more technological rabbits in our hat


Technology is evolving and improving at a rapid rate.

I agree global warming looks hopeless, but human nature is to keep fighting.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 16:39:55
by onlooker
Plantagenet wrote:
onlooker wrote:I am afraid we do NOT have any more technological rabbits in our hat


Technology is evolving and improving at a rapid rate.

I agree global warming looks hopeless, but human nature is to keep fighting.

I am sure we will and is commendable but AGW is a humongous locomotive which, at this point seems impossible to stop :(

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 19:09:20
by Plantagenet
onlooker wrote: AGW is a humongous locomotive which, at this point seems impossible to stop :(


Quite true. Still........

Lets see how the Harvard experiment I posted about above which will test the effect of adding aerosols to the upper atmosphere turns out. Volcanic aerosols quite quickly cool the planet by ca. 1°C after big eruptions. There is no reason why injections of aerosols by humans wouldn't operate the same way. It would be ungodly expensive, but maybe cheaper in the long run then letting the sea level rise and flood New York City.

Cheers!

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Thank you for cooling the planet!

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 19:30:41
by Subjectivist
Plantagenet wrote:
onlooker wrote: AGW is a humongous locomotive which, at this point seems impossible to stop :(


Quite true. Still........

Lets see how the Harvard experiment I posted about above which will test the effect of adding aerosols to the upper atmosphere turns out. Volcanic aerosols quite quickly cool the planet by ca. 1°C after big eruptions. There is no reason why injections of aerosols by humans wouldn't operate the same way. It would be ungodly expensive, but maybe cheaper in the long run then letting the sea level rise and flood New York City.

Cheers!

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Thank you for cooling the planet!



And what happens when the artificial cooling gets boosted by another big volcano and crops fail all over the planet?

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Thu 13 Apr 2017, 19:42:04
by Cog
We get Weyland-Yutani corporation to turn on their atmospheric processor to keep things in balance.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 02:49:38
by Cid_Yama
Plant, I will continue to use any metaphor I deem appropriate. That includes mentioning Hitler in comparison if the shoe fits.

Every mention of Hitler or comparison to Hitler is not inappropriate. That's that partisan tripe trotted out by the fascists in this country to try to avoid being recognized for who they are. And you know who I'm talking about. They seem to be the only ones who have a problem with it. Capisce?

And the only one diverting this thread is YOU with your Trollish nonsense.

Re: The Geoengineering Thread Pt. 2

Unread postPosted: Fri 14 Apr 2017, 08:25:13
by Cog
Godwin's Law strikes again. You can count on Cid to always deliver the goods. LOL

I saw Trump drink a glass of water. Hitler drank water as well. Trump is literally Hitler.