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Unread postby johnmarkos » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 13:19:01

Pure speculation is welcome here.

In 2100 C.E.:
What will the average per capita energy use be?
What will the average life expectancy be?
Will there be computers?
Will there be an Internet?
Will we have space travel?
Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport?
How many people will live on Earth?
What will be the most prosperous region of the planet?
What will be the poorest region of the planet?
Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years? Will we build upon it?
Will there be a United States of America?
How will people get most of their energy?
How will daily life differ from today?
How will daily life be simliar?
What will the major religions of this time be?
Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet?

In 2500 C.E.:
What will the average per capita energy use be?
What will the average life expectancy be?
Will there be computers?
Will there be an Internet?
Will we have space travel?
Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport?
How many people will live on Earth?
What will be the most prosperous region of the planet?
What will be the poorest region of the planet?
Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years? Will we build upon it?
Will there be a United States of America?
How will people get most of their energy?
How will daily life differ from today?
How will daily life be simliar?
What will the major religions of this time be?
Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet?
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Unread postby cube » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 15:22:32

Life in the year 2100?

hmm I see 2 scenarios the first is where energy is cheap and plenty like today and the second is well you know...

1 - What can possibly replace oil? Ever heard of hafnium? That may be the fuel source for vehicles (cars, planes, ships, ect..) No this is not some pie in the sky fantasy, a prototype unmanned hafnium powered plane exists today. Fusion will be the fuel source for electrical power generation. This is the positive scenario where the quality of life is even higher then today.

2 - A high quality of life can still be maintained in a world of diminishing resources so long as people remain calm and make the best of what they have. However if history is any example....when the Mayans were faced with the drought of the century and all the trees were slashed and burned for agriculture what did they do? They wasted their resources fighting wars over their most precious commodity - corn.

A hundred years from now historians will agree that the Iraq war was the beginning of the "oil wars"....and also the beginning of the decline of American hegemony. And no I have no faith in hydrogen fuel cells or battery powered cars. People will drive really small super efficient hybrid cars that have only a 3 gallon gas tank. :-D
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Unread postby jato » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 15:48:22

Posted: 03-17-2005, 10:19:01 Post subject: Life in 2100; life in 2500
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Pure speculation is welcome here.

In 2100 C.E.:

What will the average per capita energy use be? 0 (only bio fuel, what ever that number may be)
What will the average life expectancy be? 19
Will there be computers? Perhaps, but they won’t work (except the old manual slide computers- ;)
Will there be an Internet? No.
Will we have space travel? No.
Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport? No.How many people will live on Earth? 500 thousand
What will be the most prosperous region of the planet? North America ;)
What will be the poorest region of the planet? Antarctica, Oceana.
Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years? No. Will we build upon it? No. Will there be a United States of America? No.
How will people get most of their energy? Wood, poop.How will daily life differ from today? It will suck.
How will daily life be similar? We need to eat, drink & sleep.
What will the major religions of this time be? The same as now.
Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet? Stone age with 20th century artifacts strewn about the landscape.

In 2500 C.E.: See above.
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Unread postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 17:33:16

Ever read "A letter from the future"?
There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
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Re: Life in 2100; life in 2500

Unread postby 0mar » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 17:41:03

Pure speculation is welcome here.

In 2100 C.E.:

What will the average per capita energy use be? 2 BOE equivalent per day

What will the average life expectancy be? 60 - 65 years

Will there be computers? Yes

Will there be an Internet? Yes

Will we have space travel? Capability yes, no flights though.

Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport? Yes

How many people will live on Earth? Roughly 3-4 billion

What will be the most prosperous region of the planet? Europe or possibly the Middle East

What will be the poorest region of the planet? Africa unfortunately

Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years? Yes.

Will we build upon it? Possibly. A lot of great research can be done low-tech style.

Will there be a United States of America? Yes...

How will people get most of their energy? Biomass, solar, wind and maybe nuclear and coal.

How will daily life differ from today? A lot more local, a lot less friviolous things (like TiVo!). More person orientated.

How will daily life be simliar? Can't say

What will the major religions of this time be? Christainity, Islam, Judaism

Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet? Probably rural '50s.

In 2500 C.E.:

What will the average per capita energy use be? 7-20 BOE equivalents

What will the average life expectancy be? 80 - 100

Will there be computers? Yes

Will there be an Internet? Yes

Will we have space travel? Yes

Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport? Yes

How many people will live on Earth? Hopefully we learned our lessions, and it will be a sustainable number. 1.5 - 2 billion

What will be the most prosperous region of the planet? Probably Europe

What will be the poorest region of the planet? Africa :(

Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years? Yes

Will we build upon it? Yes

Will there be a United States of America? No, or not one we would recognize

How will people get most of their energy? Biomass, solar, wind, nuclear.

How will daily life differ from today? Can't say

How will daily life be simliar? Can't say.

What will the major religions of this time be? Islam, Christainity, Judaism

Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet? It will be technological, but other than that I can't say.
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 18:53:10

In 2100 C.E.:

What will the average per capita energy use be?

Similar to what people were enjoying in the early 1900's.

What will the average life expectancy be?
55-65.
Will there be computers?
Yes, only in the hands of super-rich people and governments.

Will there be an Internet?
Yes, if the satillite infastructure does not fail for relaying communications.

Will we have space travel?
Manned space flight, no. Unmanned missions to repair/replace existing satillites, yes.

Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport?
Yes, busing will probably make a comeback, and a re-vitilisation of public transportation in large metroplitain areas. Individual transportation will be far too expensive to maintain for the average person.

How many people will live on Earth?
3-4 billion

What will be the most prosperous region of the planet?
Oceania

What will be the poorest region of the planet?
Africa

Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years?
The stuff that remains applicable to life on earth, yes. Although I highly doubt we will be as concerned with cosmic occurances unless it endangers earth.

Will we build upon it?
Probably, but only concerning how to maintain and retrofit existing systems which are failing.

Will there be a United States of America?
Yes, but it will probably no longer be a constitutional republic, (is it now?), and a FEMA/Executive Order imposed dictatorship with no rights offered to the common citizenry. Look to DPRK for how it will end up.

How will people get most of their energy?
Probably coal power.

How will daily life differ from today?
Look at the early 1900's, but impose dictatorial rule.

How will daily life be simliar?
Some areas will still have regular utility services.

What will the major religions of this time be?
I have no clue.

Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet?
As I previously stated, early 1900's but with a dictatorship/marital law.


In 2500 C.E.:

What will the average per capita energy use be?

Whatever you can chop down and burn to keep warm.

What will the average life expectancy be?
40-55

Will there be computers?
Yes, buried in a landfill someplace under millons of tons of earth. Computers are not biodegradable.

Will there be an Internet?
No

Will we have space travel?
Only in our minds.

Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport?
Yes, wind powered ships will still exist, and gravity works wonders for powering items during a decent.

How many people will live on Earth?
0-3 billion

What will be the most prosperous region of the planet?
Wherever has the most "alternative" powered infasturcture surviving. (I put alternative in quotes because it will be mainstream for all existing power sources.

What will be the poorest region of the planet?
Africa

Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years?
Probably not. Unless it is specifically applicable to what is requred to survive in a primitive environment.

Will we build upon it?
No

Will there be a United States of America?
No. Has any nation existed for over 700 years without more than one massive internal conflict?

How will people get most of their energy?
By either human or animal power.

How will daily life differ from today?
How do the few remaining aboriginal tribes live today?

How will daily life be simliar?
We will still breathe an oxygen/nitrogen/carbon dioxide atmosphere if humanity still exists.

What will the major religions of this time be?
Earth worship, paganism.

Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet?

Look at midevil Europe.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 19:03:32

jato wrote:What will be the most prosperous region of the planet? North America ;)
'Cept of course they'll all be dead in Los Angeles, right, Jato? :lol:

2500: all of John Denver's descendants are living on Titan. Life there sucks and they all wish thay could be on Earth but the temperature is 750C and only bacterial life remains but its on its last legs because its just too damn hot for them too, with the temperature still rising.

(there, that's 1000! I'm sweet light crude, hooray!)
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 19:36:51

Or how about this: 2500: half the human race lives underground. They are fat and greenish pale with silver hair and sharp teeth. They come out at night and snatch people at the surface who wear togas and eat grapes and live in big domes and can't read . . .
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 19:48:13

PenultimateManStanding wrote:Or how about this: 2500: half the human race lives underground. They are fat and greenish pale with silver hair and sharp teeth. They come out at night and snatch people at the surface who wear togas and eat grapes and live in big domes and can't read . . .


LOL, been reading Jewles Vern's The Time Machine a little bit too much lately? :-D
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Unread postby Cyrus » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 19:53:48

2100: Wasteland earth with no human life.
2500: No earth.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 19:53:59

Actually, that's Gary Sinese talking about the movie version from a Mel Gibson movie Ransom.
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 19:58:52

Hmm, maybe he ripped off The Time Machine
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 20:10:01

k_semler wrote:Hmm, maybe he ripped off The Time Machine
No, I mean Gary Sinese was talking about George Pal's movie version of the H. G. Wells story The Time Machine. I never saw the remake because I heard it sucked. The 50's version with Rod Taylor was perhaps the very best of the apocalyptic movies, right up there with 12 Monkeys anyway. I read the book too and the ending was quite different. In the book the scientist goes off to the furthest reaches of Earth History to a time when the sun had begun to burn itself out and become cooler. Big creepy creatures living in perpetual twilight. Of course Wells didn't know the advances in astrophysics which didn't come until years later. Now we know the sun will explode and consume the inner planets in becoming a Red Giant.
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Unread postby jato » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 20:11:59

'Cept of course they'll all be dead in Los Angeles, right, Jato?


No. New Los Angeles will have a population of 25,000.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 20:23:25

jato wrote:No. New Los Angeles will have a population of 25,000.
OK. How will we fare here in San Diego? On the serious side. Water is the limiting factor and is likely to be a major problem for both of us and Ayoob too in the not too distant future no matter how PO plays out don't you think?
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Unread postby TrueKaiser » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 20:36:40

SOSaD wrote:2100: Wasteland earth with no human life.
2500: No earth.


i seriously doubt both of those.
the earth has alot more then 495 years left. and sol is several billion years away turning into a red giant.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 17 Mar 2005, 21:33:13

Speaking of exploding suns, TK you like sci-fi right? Did you ever see the Star Trek - Next Generation episode where Picard was put into a trance by a space pod that came along side the Enterprise. He lived an entire life on this other world in his trance which only lasted a few minutes is real time. He had a wife and family and they eventually experienced their own star going Nova with the total destruction of their planet the result. They had sent the pod into space for the purpose of being remembered after they were gone. Great episode (my favorite was the one where Professor Moriarity became aware of his status as a holodeck computer program non-entity)
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Unread postby k_semler » Fri 18 Mar 2005, 00:58:49

PenultimateManStanding wrote:
k_semler wrote:Hmm, maybe he ripped off The Time Machine
No, I mean Gary Sinese was talking about George Pal's movie version of the H. G. Wells story The Time Machine. I never saw the remake because I heard it sucked. The 50's version with Rod Taylor was perhaps the very best of the apocalyptic movies, right up there with 12 Monkeys anyway. I read the book too and the ending was quite different. In the book the scientist goes off to the furthest reaches of Earth History to a time when the sun had begun to burn itself out and become cooler. Big creepy creatures living in perpetual twilight. Of course Wells didn't know the advances in astrophysics which didn't come until years later. Now we know the sun will explode and consume the inner planets in becoming a Red Giant.


Yes, as I recall, those animals were describes as giant crab like creatures that were the only forms of life on the planet. One of them wer looking at him for purposes of consumption, and one of the other creatures got into a fight with this original creature, then he got the time machine to work again. Also, in JV's original "The Time Machine, he did not go to the 20th century, and I believe that the creature he met in the future was named Weena, (IIRC). The modern movie was very liberal with it's interpretation of this classic work, and it turned out horrible, (as most liberal interpretations do).
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Unread postby TrueKaiser » Fri 18 Mar 2005, 01:38:18

PenultimateManStanding wrote:Speaking of exploding suns, TK you like sci-fi right? Did you ever see the Star Trek - Next Generation episode where Picard was put into a trance by a space pod that came along side the Enterprise. He lived an entire life on this other world in his trance which only lasted a few minutes is real time. He had a wife and family and they eventually experienced their own star going Nova with the total destruction of their planet the result. They had sent the pod into space for the purpose of being remembered after they were gone. Great episode (my favorite was the one where Professor Moriarity became aware of his status as a holodeck computer program non-entity)


yup i like sci-fi, and those two epps were good ones.
it's too bad the only half way decent sci-fi show on right now is the new battle star galactica. even if it is re-hashing the old scripts from the older series and riping off other sci-fi shows(see last epp for example)
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Re: Life in 2100; life in 2500

Unread postby Licho » Fri 18 Mar 2005, 06:44:07

Pure speculation is welcome here.

In 2100 C.E.:

What will the average per capita energy use be? about 80% of what is it today
What will the average life expectancy be? 80 in developed countries
Will there be computers? yes
Will there be an Internet? yes
Will we have space travel? yes
Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport? yes, although limited and not cheap
How many people will live on Earth? 4 billions
What will be the most prosperous region of the planet? north america
What will be the poorest region of the planet? africa
Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years? Will we build upon it? yes
Will there be a United States of America? yes, perhaps part of larger NA union
How will people get most of their energy? renewables + fusion + advanced fission
How will daily life differ from today? Less work hours, less need to travel, more healthy life by general. Ecological problems and disasters at top of agenda. Lower production than today, economy largely knowledge-based. (You can afford more arts/computer programs and less energy/material intensive goods).
How will daily life be simliar? minds of people will be preocupied with basically same things like today (relationships, family, friends, .. )
What will the major religions of this time be? christianity and islam, both losing believers
Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet? no, it will be new

In 2500 C.E.:

What will the average per capita energy use be? 10-100x higher than today
What will the average life expectancy be? 110 years
Will there be computers? yes
Will there be an Internet? yes
Will we have space travel? yes
Will there be cars or some non-animal-powered form of individual human transport? yes, even personal air travel
How many people will live on Earth? 2 billions, although millions living elsewhere in space
What will be the most prosperous region of the planet? europe
What will be the poorest region of the planet? australia
Will we preserve the scientific and mathematical knowledge that we have gained over the past several hundred years? Will we build upon it? yes
Will there be a United States of America? no, national states will be part of history
How will people get most of their energy? fusion, renewables including space based solar + sources beyond today's physics
How will daily life differ from today? future is too far away to see, let's hope people will be more intelligent and aware of larger context than today
How will daily life be simliar? minds of people will be preocupied with basically same things like today (relationships, family, friends, .. )
What will the major religions of this time be? philosophy similar to buddhism
Will life in general resemble something out of the past (e.g. stone age life, medieval European life, 20th century American life) or will it be something we cannot imagine yet? no, it will be new
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