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pstarr wrote:The supposed environmental benefit of vegetarianism diet is over-rated. Just as the negative environmental impact of a meat-diet is exaggerated. The anti-meat data was ginned. Steers are raised on free, open pasture and only finished on feedlot corn.

The real problem is our industrial food system and the 1,000 mile meal. If we lived by our food there wouldn't be the cost to refrigerate, package, process, transport, retail, and carry by car said product home to the refrigerator. All of which uses oil, natural gas, coal, road maintenance. This is the real problem.

But go ahead--starve yourselves on a vegan diet. See if I care.

Want to taste the future?



We can have our meat and 7 billion humans too if we just stretch a little our tolerances. You can grow these very locally, in your back yard. And they are also free range.....in your terrarium.

Just like shrimp, they are arthropods

Yummy....

When I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes in 2010, I eventually found an "Atkins" style diet has been good for me. My A1C has been steady at 6.3 for about a year. I get blood tests every four months. Cholesterol levels have been smack in the middle of the normal range.

Meats, dairy, green veggies, good fats (nuts and beans) and some fruit works for me. I eat very little of the staples such as potatoes, rice, breads, pasta, and corn. My body just can't handle those very well anymore.

Here in the Hill Country, one of my neighbors raises cattle. Another has sheep. I see the cattle grazing in the grassy fields fairly often. Yum! Tomorrows BBQ! (So to speak…) By eating some beef, I support the local economy in a way.

I figure I have reduced my carbon emissions by slashing my gasoline use by driving my 2003 Honda Insight instead of my F-150 for the last 12 years.

And when I retire in a few months, my commute comes to an end and that will slash my gas use a lot more. Those commuting emissions are far greater than the emissions by the meat and dairy I eat.

Everybody's got to slash their carbon footprint in the way that works best for them first. If you're not up to cutting back on meat and dairy, then focus elsewhere for now.

Not everyone is man enough, not everyone has the big swinging cojones necessary to go fully vegan, after all.

as I've posted elsewhere, NZ scientists are trailing additives to feed to reduce methane emissions

results so far show 30 - 90% reductions

Other scientists are getting results though breeding; emissions reduction is heritable

Kangaroos have green farts and taste delicious
https://student.societyforscience.org/a ... reen-farts

They taste like Bambi

Shaved Monkey wrote:They taste like Bambi

Yum! Bambi and Buggs Bunny all in one package!

Intelligence of the masses?

Seriously, we got here by trying to feed every more people. At least that's my best guess.

Anyone who has to go back nearly a hundred years to find a scientific article or scholar to support his view...well, that's one sad and desperate dude!

In pretty much any field of science, if you post something more than a decade or two old for anythign other than historical interest, you are pretty much laughed out of the room.

Sorry, buddy. That's just the way it is.

Try again later.

Yes. It doesn't mean that they disrespect these pioneers, but physics and biology have come an awfully long way in the last 100 plus years. Pretty much anyone citing these guys as anything other than historical interest would be seen as...dim-witted, at best.

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dohboi wrote:In pretty much any field of science, if you post something more than a decade or two old for anythign other than historical interest, you are pretty much laughed out of the room.

Sorry, buddy. That's just the way it is.

Try again later.

I'll have to send a memo to Darwin and Euclid.