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Techno-Fixes - why they fail to solve our problems

Unread postPosted: Wed 06 Mar 2013, 15:56:34
by Ian McPherson
Here's an interview with Dr. Michael Huesemann that posits that "techno-fixes" do not solve our long-term environmental issues, but make them worse. His logic is complicated but reasonably understandable. Let's get your feedback.

Techno-Fix - Dr. Michael Huesemann interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWNM9LVNapM

An excellent interview from the Extraenvironmentalist with Dr. Michael Huesemann, author of Techno-Fix, focusing on "technological optimism" and why technological solutions have failed to solve our long-term problems with resource scarcity and environmental degradation.


Dr. Michael Huesemann's Techno-Fix website is at: http://www.technofix.org/

Re: Techno-Fixes - why they fail to solve our problems

Unread postPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013, 15:01:45
by cipi604
A technological fix means expanding technology which means taking space on a finite planet. Exponential growth is possible only towards up , to space.

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Unread postPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013, 02:49:02
by Narz
Thanks for the post, I hate when comments are disabled though!

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Unread postPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013, 03:15:53
by Plantagenet
Technology has actually already cleaned up a few environments already. Lets give credit where credit is due. Rivers used to catch on fire in Chicago and the sir in London was so smoggy with coal smog that people would literally walk into walls because the couldn't see more than a few inches in front of them.

Re: Techno-Fixes - why they fail to solve our problems

Unread postPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013, 14:25:16
by Plantagenet
pstarr wrote:[you are ... ensconced in your happy leafy suburb in this scrubbed, cleaned America.


Actually I'm in Istanbul right now.

You are having another one of your wacked out fantasies. Istanbul is definitely NOT a suburb in America---it's not scrubbed its not clean. Its not even on the same continent as America

:roll:

Re: Techno-Fixes - why they fail to solve our problems

Unread postPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013, 16:05:36
by Plantagenet
Plantagenet wrote:
pstarr wrote:
Actually I'm in Istanbul right now.

You are having another one of your wacked out fantasies. Istanbul is definitely NOT a suburb in America---it's not scrubbed its not clean. Its not even on the same continent as America

:roll:
.I wonder what you do by plane that you couldn't accomplish by Skype?


You can't "Skype" culture, history, people and real life experiences, starry. You (and most typical Americans) are content to experience the world only by sitting on a sofa and watching their TVs or Skype. I'd rather have the actual real world experiences :)

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Unread postPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013, 21:59:18
by Plantagenet
pstarr wrote:So you are ..traveling for.. "culture" and "real life experiences" (I can't imagine for what?



That's because you are a dope of limited experience :lol:

Don't worry your little mind over things you don't understand. People are wonderfully different You like TV---I like to travel. Live and let live

CHEERS!

Re: Techno-Fixes - why they fail to solve our problems

Unread postPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 01:28:35
by Plantagenet
pstarr wrote: I ... do not appreciate your habit of extracting sound bites and responding


Most of your posts are stupid, inaccurate or delusional ---often all at once----on the rare occasion there is something sensible I respond to that 8)

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Unread postPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 06:20:01
by SeaGypsy
The planes are flying anyway, full of utter ignoramus, dreamers, business people and whatnot. I doubt any airline will stop flying because Planty decides to plant his butt somewhere.

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Unread postPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 16:57:40
by Buddy_J
pstarr wrote: You just delete the stuff that makes you uncomfortable, and respond with childish name calling. Classic strategy of an oil-industry troll.


You appear to have a habit of accusing everyone of this. Is it because you cannot refute the political points Plantagenet makes and therefore have to change the topic? The embarrassment of having voted for Obama shouldn't be an excuse to dismiss the valid criticism Plantagenet makes in quite a coherent fashion...versus your characterization of his behavior.

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Unread postPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 17:15:35
by Plantagenet
pstarr wrote:The text you deleted ... accused you of hypocrisy (in attacking Obama) for your own pointless air travel. You have yet to respond to that...,


You've just proved my point


I didn't respond to your nutty question because your question is stupid, wrong and delusional.

I never attacked Obama for my air travel

Your question just makes no sense-- you are all wee-wee'd up again over something that didn't even happen---but here we are wasting time on yet another one of your nutty delusional claims.

Sheesh :roll:

Re: Techno-Fixes - why they fail to solve our problems

Unread postPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 17:20:14
by Quinny
This thread has nothing to do with Obama or any other politician TBH. If you've listened to the link it's IMO very informative and the German scientist has some interesting points to make about the scientific ignorance of some nations.

How we got onto Obama god only knows, (if he existed that is!) (God that is!) :-D

Re: Techno-Fixes - why they fail to solve our problems

Unread postPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 17:42:51
by Plantagenet
pstarr wrote:Plant's ridiculous claim London's clean air is a result of technology improvement. Rather it is a consequence of Margaret Thatcher...,]


London's air was incredibly polluted in the 19th
Century. The pollution came from home heating with coal --- every home hAd a little coal stove then. As heating technology evolved thanks to little things like the invention of electricity air quality also improved there

:)