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eco-footprint mitigation

Unread postPosted: Sat 16 Mar 2019, 10:39:35
by diemos

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Unread postPosted: Sat 16 Mar 2019, 11:37:05
by onlooker
diemos wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEddCLW3SM


:lol: :lol:

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Unread postPosted: Sat 16 Mar 2019, 17:01:28
by onlooker
Looks like Tesla is going the way of the Dinosaurs haha

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Unread postPosted: Tue 26 Mar 2019, 03:47:21
by derhundistlos
Dear Friend onlooker,

You are my soul brother. Thanks for continuing to post important and insightful information. I enjoy reading all of your posts. You qualify as one of the few praiseworthy posters. I admire your healthy and spiritual appreciation for the magnificence of life. Thank you.

You are always welcome in Colombia. After four years of hard work, I am pleased to report that I received notification from a judge in Bogota that title will be issued for 1.100 hectares or 2,750 acres of virgin cloud rainforest in the Department of Antioquia on the boundary with the Department of Choco. This will be the third wildlife sanctuary I helped to create. A greedy Canadian gold mining company thought they had this land for the taking after bribing a corrupt judge (so did I); however, thank God for the Colombian Supreme Court who issued orders for his arrest. He's now serving a lengthy sentence in a state penitentiary. I was told Trump has his greedy LITTLE hands in this mining consortium. Too bad for Trump the Colombian Supreme Court is incorruptible.

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Unread postPosted: Tue 26 Mar 2019, 10:04:39
by Newfie
I’m in a bandwidth diet so birds are out for me.

Responding to Derhindistios.

We also have “saved” some forest, not virgin woodland but as close as we get. About 100 year old second growth. It’s in the Bras dOr of Nova Scotia. Our own personal bit of off set.

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Unread postPosted: Tue 26 Mar 2019, 17:59:14
by derhundistlos
Newfie-

The world (and I of course) owes you and your associates a debt of thanks for making the difference. Just imagine if each one of us did the same? YOU are an instrument for positive change. Please allow me the honor of extending the same heartfelt words of appreciation to you as I shared with onlooker.

You have much to be proud. Thank you for sharing. Your information gives me hope for the future.

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Unread postPosted: Tue 26 Mar 2019, 19:23:49
by Newfie
I think that, in worldwide average, we are living on something like 1-1/2 acre of area of areable land, not counting industrial land, etc. I forget exactly, no matter. So if we were required to have 15 acres per person the only way we could accomplish that would be by reducing population by 90%.

To put a more gruesome outlook on it, every time you set aside 1-1/2 acre of areable land, take it out of production, you are killing someone, depriving someone of food. Doesn’t sound so good that way.

Neither of us are talking about active areable land, but land we don’t want used for other than growing trees and such. It has some of the same effect.

May God have mercy on our souls for doing the right thing. (Includes you Ibon)

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 00:12:03
by derhundistlos
"To put a more gruesome outlook on it, every time you set aside 1-1/2 acre of areable land, take it out of production, you are killing someone."

I analyze this from an opposite perspective. To begin, these reserves serve a valuable purpose for the local community. For example, in creating the Yellow-eared parrot sanctuary of 14,000 acres, the purity of the communities fresh water is ensured, and we provide the town with free access forever. If this land had been deforested to make way for an African palm oil plantation, the community would have to pay for access and the water supply would have been contaminated with any number of toxic fungicides, insecticides, nitrogen, etc. Furthermore, the reserves ensure a balanced ecosystem thereby greatly reducing the need for pesticides by area farmers. Economically, eco-tourism generates welcome revenue, and we only hire locally. Consequently, these reserves receive the enthusiastic support of the entire community. We have zero problems with poaching thanks to community patrols. I can't tell you how often we receive thanks for conserving the natural history of Colombia.

On a global scale, I believe the day will arrive when landowners will be paid NOT to cut down trees. Under the present system, the only way to achieve economic value is by destroying the land through deforestation, modern agriculture, and mining. How long do you think this can continue before the global ecology collapses. I'm afraid we will soon know the answer if present conditions do not change.

In terms of feeding people, the problem is not supply. The problem is due to wealth inequality and transportation. Additionally, modern agriculture exacerbates the problem by making the land less fertile due to soil loss, desertification, and pollution.

If you feel like you are "killing someone" by preserving the natural environment, I'm truly sorry you feel this way. I have zero moral equivocations.

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 03:58:25
by Newfie
Derby day,

Yes to all the above. Not at all arguing with your perspective. Just pointing out, in a gruesome manner, that if all of us did this there would not be all of us.

The world is grossly over populated with humans. Somethings gotta give.

And I highly applaud your efforts, make no mistake, you did a very good thing.

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 11:57:17
by derhundistlos
Newfie-

I'm glad to know you recognize the great deed you accomplished for the world. And you're right. The proximate cause for all our problems is a grossly overpopulated world, and our response is to exacerbate the issue by growing the global population by 81,000,000 every 365 days. The US has the highest population growth of all Western nations by adding 3,000,000 every year.

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 13:54:03
by Ibon
Protecting refuge habitat is of key importance. It is from these refuge populations of biodiversity that one day native species will recolonize former human landscapes.

Let's not exaggerate an individual's importance though in buying up land as a preserve. I prefer to take the emphasis off the human as savior of nature for underneath all of that lies the meme of the doer, the executor, the one who made it happen, the enlightened paternalistic patron. Enough of that! Let's have the humility to recognize that what reforests those former pastures is a dynamic far greater than one individuals pocket book that chooses to buy a few acres. That dynamic is mother nature herself. She belongs on the pedestal, not the guy who bought the land.

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 15:49:43
by Newfie
I would like to tip my hat to Farley Mowat who recognized the proble decades ago and left his own personal estate to a conservancy.

He introduced the concept of being a spokesman for and protecting the “others”, those who have no voice for themselves. And he did not mean humans. That’s a good concept, caring for the others.

Silver Don Cameron has an interview with him about writing Sea of Slaughter on The Green Interview.

https://thegreeninterview.com/?s=Mowat

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.641918

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farley_Mowat

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 17:18:56
by jedrider
Ecological Civilization: Could China Become a Model for Saving the Earth?
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/27/ecological-civilization-could-china-become-a-model-for-saving-the-earth/

Nobody, just nobody, is looking for the USA to save the world. Might as well be China.

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 21:04:53
by diemos
China's elites are engineers, the USA's elites are lawyers.

I always expected China to be more realistic and pragmatic about what's coming.

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Unread postPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2019, 22:08:46
by ralfy

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Unread postPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2019, 07:47:47
by Newfie
China had the one child policy, the one far reaching and intelligent policy of any major nation to deal with over population.

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Unread postPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2019, 10:13:59
by asg70
Newfie wrote:China had the one child policy, the one far reaching and intelligent policy of any major nation to deal with over population.


keyword: "had"

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Unread postPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2019, 10:38:14
by Ibon
asg70 wrote:
Newfie wrote:China had the one child policy, the one far reaching and intelligent policy of any major nation to deal with over population.


keyword: "had"


Yeah but what they still have is a juggernaut of 1.5 billion people. This more than anything else will force their hand long before anywhere else which is why China indeed will progress faster than any other nation toward some form of steady state. Forced compliance.

What other nation will face such forced regulatory compliance to steady state? Eventually all nations but China is definitely at the top of the list. And perhaps the best socialized to convince its citizens of the necessary compromises and sacrifices.

Stability takes priority at some point over all of the other needs and wants.

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Unread postPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2019, 11:02:38
by Newfie
Only time for a brief reply to a fascinating topic. My musings...

Japan is a first world nation with a falling population that has not turned to mass immigration.

Other countries, USA and EU, are propping up growth with immigrants, disenfranchised immigrants, to be exploited as modern day slaves. It’s a convienient fact that life at home is even worse than the forced migration.

The UK Brexit seems to have been fueled by the immigration crisis. If that goes through they will have to either face the need to increase immigration anyway, to increase consumer spending by giving them more fiat money (MMT) or by changing to a sustainable (v growth) economic model, what ever that is.

Saudi Arabia, while not yet in crisis, is another inflection spot. Sure they can kick out all the immigrants, it then they will have to work themselves.

Africa? May God help them for I have nothing but compassion, sympathy and empathy. I expect the entire continent to be reduced to a waste land devoid of
almost anything bigger than a mouse. I expect no useful mitigation, just misery.

These are all different experiments in mitigation.