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THE Mexico Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

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Mexico: The Next Domino? Lopez Obrador

Unread postby Free » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 14:20:04

After Morales in Bolivia is inaugurated as president, it's time to look for the next "Domino" to fall: Mexico.
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Mexico's Lopez Obrador Leads Presidential Poll With 38.7%
Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Former Mexico City Mayor Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the frontrunner in presidential opinion polls for more than two years, maintained his lead in a nationwide poll by Consulta Mitofsky. ...

Lopez Obrador is a leftist, his enemies and the USA will undoubtedly say "populist". One detail of his record caught my attention. When he lost governors elections in 1994 he didn't acknowledge his defeat and out of protest stopped national oil production... As a mayor of Mexico he alledgedly was known for his spartanic lifestyle: He came into office at 6:00 in the morning, drove a little car, and shunned parties.
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby Jack » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 14:32:18

If his election finally motivates our government to seal the border, build a wall, and deport all illegals - along with children of illegals - then I, for one, wish him the very best of luck in his campaign.

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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby coyote » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 15:00:52

Isn't it kind of funny that all of these dominoes are falling -- after we supposedly won the cold war? After all, we were always told that it was the Soviets who were instigating this kind of thing... nope, turns out it's just plain old democracy...
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby Luckystars » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 15:30:16

You can't enslave the world forever. The war is humanity vs Capitalism.
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 15:39:46

If his election finally motivates our government to seal the border, build a wall, and deport all illegals - along with children of illegals - then I, for one, wish him the very best of luck in his campaign.

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You know Jack, I always thought the best way to handle the 1 million illegal crossings along the southern border was to FORCE Mexico to be a Soviet-style communist nation and then they'll pay for, build, and patrol the border wall themselves. The USA could then retire the border patrol and everyone would live happily ever after. (joke)

*corrected to add (joke), just in case.
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby aswerfawf » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 16:36:03

can someone please explain to me why it would be a bad thing for mexico to elect a leftist president? why is it a bad thing that morales won in bolivia? seriously, i feel that these could be good things for the poor people living in these countries. i havent seen such joy for a president in bolivia in the entire history of their nation state. are you worried that the united states won't be able to control things there as much? if so please relax, let the rest of the world be they can take care of themselves. you dont always need to control things.
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby coyote » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 16:41:34

We're not worried -- Bush is! :-D
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 17:02:40

This is democracy at work in Latin America. How does the electorate in Latin America and the United States compare in the choosing of their leaders? The majority of poor people in Latin America have voted against globalization and the doctrine of private enterprise alone lifting them out of poverty since they surely haven't seen it. Will we witness this same wind blowing in the US if an economic recession here induced by increasing energy costs disenfranchizes another 15% from access of the american dream?
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby Barbara » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 17:25:53

I'll believe Mexico is saved when I'll see subcomandante Marcos as President. Until then... mmmmm....
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Re: More trouble in your "backyard": Lopez Obrador

Unread postby Eli » Sun 22 Jan 2006, 17:27:50

If this guy does get elected and he is that left leaning I doubt very seriously anyone in Washington would be happy to see him giving Hugo Chavez a great big hug.
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Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby Niagara » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 08:27:19

Interesting article in the Globe and Mail (Toronto, Canada)
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The world's third-largest oil producer, Pemex "has no real prospects to substitute for Cantarell,"
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"The elements are there for such a collapse," Mr. Shields says. "That's not to say that it will definitely happen; it could be less dramatic than that."
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby eXpat » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 10:34:16

Well, they will always have turism Article, to help the economy
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby Revi » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 13:44:43

Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de dios, y tan cerca a los Estados Unidos...

When Mexico goes into decline we are in real trouble too. The US gets a lot of it's oil from Mexico. I just don't see how we're going to do what we are doing without as much oil from Mexico.
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 14:33:10

I'm pretty sure Mexico's "plan B" is to make a run for the border.
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 15:06:08

Isnt there 33 billion barrels of reserves in Mexico ? thats plenty for 25 years.
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby Revi » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 15:51:27

33 billion barrels of oil would be enough if everyone here in the US lived like the average Mexican. We use about 6 bil a year, so that would last us about 5 and a half years. It would be nice if a country like Mexico could pump it out really slow and keep themselves going. Unfortunately they have debts too. They have more than enough trouble already without this with the unrest in Oaxaca.
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 16:10:45

Well they do live as average mexican, overthere in Mexico. There are also 3 times less people, so it supposedly can last 25-26 years, for Mexico
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby DantesPeak » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 17:05:54

I posted an article today in the PEMEX and Cantarell discussion thread that Mexico may halt exports as early as three years from now (assuming they will not restrict domestic consumption for exports).

After that, what kind of leverage will they have over the US? Almost none.
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby lateStarter » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 17:10:43

It should be interesting to watch as exporting countries try to clamp down on growing domestic consumtion (priced cheaply) so they can continue to rake in foreign capital with their expensive exported products. At what point will the locals say: WTF?
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Re: Will Mexico be ready when oil runs dry?

Unread postby Pfish » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 11:37:23

DantesPeak wrote:I posted an article today in the PEMEX and Cantarell discussion thread that Mexico may halt exports as early as three years from now (assuming they will not restrict domestic consumption for exports).

After that, what kind of leverage will they have over the US? Almost none.


Three years? Isn't that when the fence will be finished. Kinda ironic....
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