Re: The Abundance of Copper
Posted: Mon 05 May 2008, 21:12:00
Aluminum is very electricity intensive. However, we would not need to step up aluminum production very much to start using it in the stead of copper. We don't really use that much copper. It's just that we don't have very much of it to play with.
Most of the US' supply of aluminum is produced along the Columbia Gorge. These plants are near the gorge because of the cheap surplus electricity generated by the dams on the gorge. This is energy that the utility needs to dump somehow. It's worth mentioning here that EVs would generally do the majority of their charging in a similar fashion, off peak. This is part of the reason why aluminum cans are super cheap. At any rate, the energy source that this nation's aluminum plants rely on is sustainable for as long as the dams aren't rendered useless with silt.
I am certainly not claiming that automobiles are environmentally friendly. I am only claiming that EVs are the most environmentally friendly (and the only technically viable) alternative option that we have to ICE powered automobiles.
American Dream: I do disagree with you to some extent. I do much of my shopping on the internet. I actually use my E-Bike to go grocery shopping or my Honda CRX HF (that's the 40mpg model). I usually ride 16 mi/day commuting on the E-Bike unless the weather stinks. When my electric car is done, I will use that. I am also a full time student. I take all of my notes on a tablet pc and I do most of my homework on a the tablet too. My internet classes require no paper of course. I can't remember the last time I paid a bill on paper. Obviously my class mates use lots of paper (not everyone has a snazzy tablet pc), some people still pay bills with paper (the darn utility companies still send paper to our house), and very few people use an electric bicycle today, so your point is very valid. However, I am only trying to point out that one of the perceived obstacles (copper availability) to a new transportation infrastructure is actually a non-issue.
Thank you for the respectful responses.
Most of the US' supply of aluminum is produced along the Columbia Gorge. These plants are near the gorge because of the cheap surplus electricity generated by the dams on the gorge. This is energy that the utility needs to dump somehow. It's worth mentioning here that EVs would generally do the majority of their charging in a similar fashion, off peak. This is part of the reason why aluminum cans are super cheap. At any rate, the energy source that this nation's aluminum plants rely on is sustainable for as long as the dams aren't rendered useless with silt.
I am certainly not claiming that automobiles are environmentally friendly. I am only claiming that EVs are the most environmentally friendly (and the only technically viable) alternative option that we have to ICE powered automobiles.
American Dream: I do disagree with you to some extent. I do much of my shopping on the internet. I actually use my E-Bike to go grocery shopping or my Honda CRX HF (that's the 40mpg model). I usually ride 16 mi/day commuting on the E-Bike unless the weather stinks. When my electric car is done, I will use that. I am also a full time student. I take all of my notes on a tablet pc and I do most of my homework on a the tablet too. My internet classes require no paper of course. I can't remember the last time I paid a bill on paper. Obviously my class mates use lots of paper (not everyone has a snazzy tablet pc), some people still pay bills with paper (the darn utility companies still send paper to our house), and very few people use an electric bicycle today, so your point is very valid. However, I am only trying to point out that one of the perceived obstacles (copper availability) to a new transportation infrastructure is actually a non-issue.
Thank you for the respectful responses.