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Unread postPosted: Thu 24 Mar 2005, 23:55:08
by MarkL
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BBC Online article - "Peak oil enters mainstream debate

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 03:18:44
by spot5050
This is the first article I've ever see on BBC News Online which directly addresses PO....

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4077802.stm

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 05:04:33
by savethehumans
Yeah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 07:43:42
by bart
The BBC piece is by Adam Porter who has been writing on PO and energy for some time. Way to go, Adam!

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 11:19:04
by AdzP
Cheers mi dear. You saw that before I did!

all the best
adam

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 11:37:31
by GL
I remember seing a number of PO articles from the BBC besides this new one. Links:

Is the world's oil running out fast?

When the last oil well runs dry

Hopefully they will explore the subject in depth. BBC has a lot of respect all over the world.

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 12:15:44
by JoeW
savethehumans wrote:Yeah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(

I don't know about that. Eight years is only a long time if you are a child. I think most adults in industrialized countries think about the next decade to come.

English name - French word!!

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 12:53:29
by Dvanharn
Deborah White - naive

Deborah White, senior energy analyst at Societe Generale in Paris, says: "Controlling suburban blight is one way to slow oil consumption until we are a society no longer dependent on oil."


This will make our modern societies "no longer dependent on oil"?????

This type of idiotic statement removes all credibility for Ms. White. How the hell did she ever become a "senior energy analyst"?

Dave

Re: English name - French word!!

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 13:30:01
by spot5050
Dvanharn wrote:Deborah White - naive

Deborah White, senior energy analyst at Societe Generale in Paris, says: "Controlling suburban blight is one way to slow oil consumption until we are a society no longer dependent on oil."


This will make our modern societies "no longer dependent on oil"?????

This type of idiotic statement removes all credibility for Ms. White. How the hell did she ever become a "senior energy analyst"?

Dave


It is strange isn't it.

I guess most people here are amateur Peak-oilers - we have jobs outside of the energy industry. But most people here have grasped at least the basics of economics. Yet someone like Ms. White who must be intelligent given her position, who probably spends all day every day thinking about energy, just doesn't seem to mind that everything she touches is oil. It's quite bizarre. How can she be an 'energy analyst' and yet make such a crass statement? It's odd. Really really odd. But she's not the only one. There's loads of them! - so-called analysts who don't seem to know anything.

I can understand when organisations like OPEC deny PO, or even to some extent when governments deny PO, but for an independant analyst whose job it is to be on the ball, to not even seem to understand the issues, is unforgivable. I could have respect for someone like that if they said "I understand PO but disagree with it because of X, Y and Z." but she obviously just doesn't see why there's a problem. Weird.

Maybe she's only a part-time energy analyst - the first Tuesday morning of every month. I wonder what she does the rest of the time.

Unread postPosted: Fri 10 Jun 2005, 14:19:26
by NEOPO
Miss White refers to PO as an "idea" :shock:

She suggests that we should stop suburban sprawl.
Hey wait a minute - isnt that the new american dream? 8)

Heres a recent article on U.S. homes sales:

NAR article

Here is an excerpt from the article:

"Existing-home sales are forecast to rise 1.6 percent to a total of 6.89 million this year from a record 6.78 million in 2004, while new-home sales are seen to grow by 3.2 percent to 1.24 million in 2005. At the same time, housing starts are projected to increase 3.4 percent to just over 2.02 million units, the highest level since 1973. "

Unread postPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2005, 05:00:14
by Mango
savethehumans wrote:Yeah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(


I think anyone that yawns at this number on something of such magnitude has no idea of the implications of what Peak Oil means.

As of two days ago I was on that list of the uninformed. We're preaching to the choir in here, we need to spread the word out there as much as we can (and try not to sound like nutjobs doing it :)

From what I've read throughout many articles over the internet, 2013 is the projected peak for ALL oils, not just crude. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this analysis.

Unread postPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2005, 07:29:57
by Doly
Mango wrote:From what I've read throughout many articles over the internet, 2013 is the projected peak for ALL oils, not just crude. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this analysis.


If you mean here "conventional and unconventional oil", that's possibly correct. Of course, different people have different dates on peak oil.

Unread postPosted: Thu 21 Jul 2005, 08:10:32
by Aaron
AdzP wrote:Cheers mi dear. You saw that before I did!

all the best
adam


Love to hear some more of your original thoughts on this.

Everybody say Hi, to the author of the piece in question.

:)

Help with my Peak Oil debate

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Sep 2005, 19:18:00
by Stovepipe
I think Peak Oil is real, not some half baked conspiracy theory. This guy seems to think I am wrong. He came up with these arguments and graphs which I responded to in the following posts, what else should I add. I am no expert on this stuff, so your help would be appreciated, those of you that have studied the issue more than myself.

This is in the off topic section of a gaming forum read by kids scatterred across Europe and America. You can see that this topic is twenty pages long and many months old. How about a little wisdom to help me refute their latest points, because I can do it, but probably not as succinctly as you folks.

Please post your response here or register and post it over there.

Thanks for your help.


http://invisionfree.com/forums/Jack_the ... &p=1655149

http://invisionfree.com/forums/Jack_the ... &p=1655160

Re: Help with my Peak Oil debate

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Sep 2005, 19:36:45
by rogerhb
The behaviour of the oil companies themselves!

1. They are merging and buying each other out, this does not increase the total amount of reserves, but the books of the result look bigger.

2. Shell downsizing it's reserves 4 times, it got hammered in the stock market and the director had to resign, that seems like an option of last resort.

3. Chevron, www.willyoujoinus.com

4. BP now stands for Beyond Petroleum

5. Peaking of backdated reserves in 1960s.

6. Saudi has repeatedly claimed it will increase production but very little new has been seen over the last year.

Re: Help with my Peak Oil debate

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Sep 2005, 20:47:16
by Golgo13
rogerhb wrote:The behaviour of the oil companies themselves!


Yep.

Mr. Savinar did a pretty good job of pointing this out in his book:

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Re: Help with my Peak Oil debate

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Sep 2005, 22:41:03
by some_guy282
Bartlett lecture

You should watch that video yourself if you havn't yet. See if you can get this other guy to watch it too. If that doesn't shut him up, nothing will.

Re: Help with my Peak Oil debate

Unread postPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2005, 18:23:02
by Stovepipe
Thank You for your responses!

Re: Help with my Peak Oil debate

Unread postPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2005, 18:32:48
by Stovepipe
some_guy282 wrote:Bartlett lecture

You should watch that video yourself if you havn't yet. See if you can get this other guy to watch it too. If that doesn't shut him up, nothing will.


the link doesn't work for me.

Re: Help with my Peak Oil debate

Unread postPosted: Fri 09 Sep 2005, 18:39:10
by LadyRuby
Here's another response to them. Most of the oil companies are producing less oil this year so far than they did at the same time last year. Through the 2nd quarter of this year (pre-Katrina, obviously), here's how much less they are producing so far this year:

Chevron: -6%
Shell: -5.6%
Total Oil: - 3.9%
ConocoPhillips: - 0.5%
Exxon: -4.0%

This while oil prices in the same time period have increased by 40% or so. Unless people think they are all in collusion (no way, too many involved), then clearly there's a problem since these big guys get oil from all over the world.

By the way, anyone can find this information for themselves on the companies websites, look under news releases, and find the quarterly performance reports.