Re: Per Capita Oil Use by Various Nations
Posted: Mon 14 Jan 2008, 16:16:39
Iceland? Finland?
Exploring Hydrocarbon Depletion
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wisconsin_cur wrote:name nick,
just because China will not be able to run all of their new cars (the subject in pup55's post) does not mean that we will nor does it assume that we will win any resource wars.
It just means a) the Chinese won't and b) this will make them mad. One need assume nothing to come to that conclusion.
There are many ways that could work out (a shooting resource war(s) being just one) but it would be hard to assert such an eventuality with the same certitude as the fact that there are limits to the supply of fossil fuels.
Plantagenet wrote:Pixie wrote: By 2022, we can expect to have to cut our oil use by at least a third.
It's not that we can't live that way, but do we know how?
Just follow the EU example.
People in EU countries have a very high quality of life but use much less oil. A good place for the US to start copying the EU would be by constructing a modern electric high speed train system connecting major American cities, and by building more light rail within the cities.
namenick wrote:Pixie- I appreciate your efforts but I fear that it is a futile task to try to figure out who the top 1 billion consumers are. I think you have succeeded in answering the question in the best possible manner already. For example, it is not really individuals in all cases who are sucking up the oil, it is industry in many cases and how would we ever be able to pin their consumption on individuals? Try to pin it on the individuals who benefit from those industries?
lateStarter wrote:Plantagenet wrote:Just follow the EU example.
People in EU countries have a very high quality of life but use much less oil. A good place for the US to start copying the EU would be by constructing a modern electric high speed train system connecting major American cities, and by building more light rail within the cities.
You are just too spread out for this to happen unless the US evolves into a number of semi-autonomous regions. It was great while it lasted... Actually, I think that what you are suggesting will happen eventually by default (unless the US just started too late).
Bas wrote:I cannot think of why Holland is so high ... our distances are tiny and so are the cars, ... loads of bicycles and good public transport ... higher gastaxes than the UK ...
Probably it's because Rotterdam is a major petrochemical hub in which alot of oil is delivered and refined for re-export to Germany and also the US.... the same goes for Belgium through Antwerp ... real per capita consumption in both countries is much lower... probably close to other W-European countries.
Nicholai wrote:Iceland? Finland?
Pixie wrote:People who live close to the poles will really be in a pickle when the fuel runs out.
Plantagenet wrote:Pixie wrote:People who live close to the poles will really be in a pickle when the fuel runs out.
Maybe....maybe not.
Population densities tend to much lower in northern countries, and education levels and the quality of life can be very high. The northern countries have certain benefits.
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Alaska is another oil-exporter, has just raised taxes on in-state production to bring in an extra billion a year in oil taxes, is moving towards building a natural gas pipeline to supply the lower 48, and has already saved about $35 billion in a state investment account.
Pixie wrote:.... ANWR, which I bet will eventually get opened up, but not until the US military needs it.
Plantagenet wrote:Pixie wrote:.... ANWR, which I bet will eventually get opened up, but not until the US military needs it.
The US military has no say over ANWR.
The new democratic Congress will never open up ANWR. The dems have blocked all attempts to allow oil exploration there for the last 30 years.
Plantagenet, what's your expert rating for? What's your field of expertise? I need to know who I am arguing with.
Plantagenet wrote:Pixie wrote:.... ANWR, which I bet will eventually get opened up, but not until the US military needs it.
The US military has no say over ANWR.
The new democratic Congress will never open up ANWR. The dems have blocked all attempts to allow oil exploration there for the last 30 years.
namenick wrote:PIxie asked:Plantagenet, what's your expert rating for? What's your field of expertise? I need to know who I am arguing with.
Spending a lot of time posting on this forum. You can be one too.
namenick wrote:PIxie asked:Plantagenet, what's your expert rating for? What's your field of expertise? I need to know who I am arguing with.
Spending a lot of time posting on this forum. You can be one too.
Pixie wrote:I can do this. I know I can! Actually, my frequency of posting will go down in three months, when I change jobs and get one that actually absorbs my interest. I like all y'all, but I do look forward to that change.