Newfie wrote:But there was also some people saying that there were reports of an engine overheat before the incident, and reports Iran is saying the local authorities wanted the plane grounded but the pilot over rode their concerns and took off. And I don’t have links to that either, only second hand reports.
Note I’m not saying “This DID happen.” Only that it is a possible solution that best fits the reports from all circumstances.
At this point I’m leaning toward it just being a simple SNAFU.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:careinke wrote:I saw a report on Fox that said the video showed the hit, and then the bang sound came 10 seconds later, proving the airplane was only two miles away. Frankly, that just doesn't line up with physics. Last time I checked the speed of sound is right around 600 mph (depending on atmospheric density), which means if it was a ten second "flash to bang", the plane would have been 10 miles away, not 2.
Basic NBC training; Flash, drop and start counting, Boom, whatever number you are at is how many miles you are from it, move perpendicular to the wind to avoid fallout. It is also useful to tell how far away lightning is from you...
So you can't do fifth grade math and check before claiming that?
I remember as a child knowing that a rough guess for lightning distance re time to the thunderclap, was 5 seconds per mile. So I checked (given how uneven my memory is at age 60).
There are 3600 seconds per hour.
Looking it up to verify, instead of guessing, speed of sound roughly 750 mph. (It varies based on conditions, but this is a decent figure for back-of-the-envelope sanity checking). 700 is a far better round figure to use for many conditions than 600, BTW.
For example:
https://www.engineersedge.com/physics/s ... _13241.htm
750 mph / 3600 seconds per hour = .20833 miles per second, or call it .21 rounded.
So, certainly close enough to a mile per 5 seconds to call that a good rule of thumb.
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Seriously. THIS IS THE INTERNET. Is basic fact / sanity checking SO HARD, before blaring how wrong figures you have doubts about are, before showing you're completely clueless yourself?
Again, credit to asg, for pointing out how much "The Death of Expertise" should be reading and applying the principles used, by the vast majority of would-be experts in "all things" on the web.
https://www.amazon.com/Death-Expertise- ... B01MYCDVHH
Zarquon wrote:Newfie wrote:But there was also some people saying that there were reports of an engine overheat before the incident, and reports Iran is saying the local authorities wanted the plane grounded but the pilot over rode their concerns and took off. And I don’t have links to that either, only second hand reports.
Note I’m not saying “This DID happen.” Only that it is a possible solution that best fits the reports from all circumstances.
At this point I’m leaning toward it just being a simple SNAFU.
If the theory is that the Iranian air defense was so spooked by a civilian airliner taking off from Tehran airport that they immediately opened fire... then the theory needs a little more explanation IMO.
asg70 wrote:
I feel there is enough evidence to backup the story that the jet was shot down by Iran. The hot potato right now is the black box recorder. If Iran doesn't release the recorder then they are obviously covering it up.
PS...I know some Iranian Americans who teach here at the University and, as luck would have it, they've been visiting their relatives Iran. We've all been holding our breath, but just got the news that they got out OK on another flight.
Cog wrote:Like it or not if you are a Westener, you are hated by the Mullahs just as much as us Americans. You are infidels and worthy of death because you don't worship their moon god.
Plantagenet wrote:tita wrote: We can easily think that Iran defense were on full alert, expecting some retaliation after their attack 4 hours before. .
Of course. But this wasn't the only airplane that flew through that air space during those four hours.
Have you ever been to an airport?
Airplanes take off and land all the time.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Cog wrote:Like it or not if you are a Westener, you are hated by the Mullahs just as much as us Americans. You are infidels and worthy of death because you don't worship their moon god.
Yes, indeed. They are disgusted with people worshipping sodomy and that is how Westerners are seen there (and increasingly in Eastern Europe as well).
So what is better to worship:
1. Moon God?
2. Sodomy?
Cog wrote:Is it better to live in a country where we don't care what you do in your bedroom or a country that stones gays to death? I guess only you can judge that. Even though I'm a knuckle-dragging right winger, even this deplorable has learned that you can't catch the gay. The Iranians seem to think otherwise along with Russians and eastern Europeans.
Newfie wrote:Plan or no Trump played this the right way, as opposed to the D’s.
Cog wrote:Whenever you scratch your head over some action that President Trump takes, wait a few days and it becomes obvious there is a plan involved that accomplishes both his purpose and makes the main stream media and the Democrat Party look bad simultaneously.
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