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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby asg70 » Fri 18 May 2018, 08:30:35

pstarr wrote:This dumb-@ss comment is from two bozo's who wouldn't know the difference between a healthy forest and a limp d#ck.


Well there you go. If a thread is started about moralizing over man's relationship to nature then it works at either a corporate or personal level. Your post directed at Revi started dragging the thread down into Spanish Inquisition territory so you're really no better than Adam when it comes to that sort of thing. Always quick to judge and not keen to take your own medicine.
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 18 May 2018, 12:15:03

asg70 wrote:
pstarr wrote:This dumb-@ss comment is from two bozo's who wouldn't know the difference between a healthy forest and a limp d#ck.


Well there you go. If a thread is started about moralizing over man's relationship to nature then it works at either a corporate or personal level. Your post directed at Revi started dragging the thread down into Spanish Inquisition territory so you're really no better than Adam when it comes to that sort of thing. Always quick to judge and not keen to take your own medicine.

Idiot. I was commenting on Revi's description of those small trees as a "wood lot". He corrected me. The big trees are in the back.

Revi is one of the few non-idiots here. He is living a good life, closer to the earth and Gaia. That is why he is so kind to losers like yourself. I am not as close to Gaia. She is making me impatient and I get angry.
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 18 May 2018, 15:22:41

ASG and PSTARR.....

YOU ARE MAKING ME TURN AROUND!
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 09 Jun 2018, 12:14:26

"Something to think about:

The Earth is 4.6 billion years old.

Let's scale that to 46 years.

We have been here for 4 hours.

Our industrial revolution began 1 minute ago.

In that time, we have destroyed 50% of the world's forests.

This isn't sustainable."

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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby Revi » Mon 11 Jun 2018, 08:19:59

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Revi wrote:The trees are in the pic, behind the Tree Farm sign. We are logging next winter, so there may be a few less.


The trees I see are no more than 6 inches in diameter. That is hardly a forest. Here in the Humboldt, the typical timber harvest rotation on any given plot of land is 40 years and the average cut tree size is probably 20 inches . . . still tragically small :cry:


We have about 500 tappable maples, and all sorts of other species on that lot. I agree that the trees aren't the size of the ones in Humbolt County, since they are some of the largest trees in the world. We do have three or 4 maples that are way bigger than a 24 inch diameter, and we put three taps in them. We use the smaller "ecolo taps" and don't use vacuum, so we just take what the trees give.

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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby Cog » Mon 11 Jun 2018, 12:20:27

Are small trees somehow inferior to large trees?
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby Revi » Mon 11 Jun 2018, 13:33:11

You can't tap a maple until it's got a 10 inch diameter, so I guess they are just the future forest. They are growing in. I like the maples we have because they are growing vigorously and are making more sap each year.
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 11 Jun 2018, 15:08:35

Ancient Baobab trees dying off in Africa---Climate change is blamed

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Darn....the Baobabs can't be dying off already. I haven't gotten to Madagascar to see them yet. I'm going to have to speed up my end-of-the-world tour to see all the things that are going to disappear due to climate change. I never dreamed the Baobab trees would start dying off before I even get there. I'm heading down there next summer (2019) and should be able to see them before they get totally wiped out.

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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 26 Jun 2018, 09:18:30

pstarr wrote:
Better to offgas the methane. Extra CO2 in the atmosphere is great for growing cattle fodder. :)


Is this sarcasm or do you still really believe "global greening" beneficial to Gaia?
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 27 Jun 2018, 15:30:43

http://www.wri.org/blog/2018/06/2017-wa ... cover-loss

2017 Was the Second-Worst Year on Record for Tropical Tree Cover Loss

Last year was the second-worst on record for tropical tree cover loss, according to new data from the University of Maryland, released today on Global Forest Watch. In total, the tropics experienced 15.8 million hectares (39.0 million acres) of tree cover loss in 2017, an area the size of Bangladesh. That’s the equivalent of losing 40 football fields of trees every minute for an entire year.

Despite concerted efforts to reduce tropical deforestation, tree cover loss has been rising steadily in the tropics over the past 17 years. Natural disasters like fires and tropical storms are playing an increasing role, especially as climate change makes them more frequent and severe. But clearing of forests for agriculture and other uses continues to drive large-scale deforestation.


This is of course the opposite direction from where we should be going. Major effects on the carbon cycle and in the very wrong direction...

More here:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ta-reveals

One [soccer field] of forest lost every second in 2017, data reveals Global deforestation is on an upward trend, jeopardising efforts to tackle climate change and the massive decline in wildlife



The world lost more than one [soccer field] of forest every second in 2017, according to new data from a global satellite survey, adding up to an area equivalent to the whole of Italy over the year.

The scale of tree destruction, much of it done illegally, poses a grave threat to tackling both climate change and the massive global decline in wildlife. The loss in 2017 recorded by Global Forest Watch was 29.4m hectares, the second highest recorded since the monitoring began in 2001.

Global tree cover losses have doubled since 2003, while deforestation in crucial tropical rainforest has doubled since 2008. A falling trend in Brazil has been reversed amid political instability and forest destruction has soared in Colombia.

In other key nations, the Democratic Republic of Congo’s vast forests suffered record losses. However, in Indonesia, deforestation dropped 60% in 2017, helped by fewer forest fires and government action.

Forest losses are a huge contributor to the carbon emissions driving global warming, about the same as total emissions from the US, which is the world’s second biggest polluter.

Deforestation destroys wildlife habitat and is a key reason for populations of wildlife having plunged by half in the last 40 years, starting a sixth mass extinction.

“The main reason tropical forests are disappearing is not a mystery – vast areas continue to be cleared for soy, beef, palm oil, timber, and other globally traded commodities,” said Frances Seymour at the World Resources Institute, which produces Global Forest Watch with its partners. “Much of this clearing is illegal and linked to corruption.”
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 27 Jun 2018, 17:03:41

jupiters_release wrote:
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Better to offgas the methane. Extra CO2 in the atmosphere is great for growing cattle fodder. :)


Is this sarcasm or do you still really believe "global greening" beneficial to Gaia?

Do you have evidence of the contrary?

For those predisposed to the supernatural I will explain the simple science one more time, to wit: excess carbon in the atmosphere has generated a continent-sized patch of new trees on the planet earth. Those trees have just begun to sequester carbon. It is their way.

Trees live to sequester carbon. Trees are carbon sequesters. The best at sequestering carbon. The Way of the Trees :-D
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby ozcad » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 00:06:39

Evidence to the contrary:
The reported greening effect may or may not be true, but it is nowhere near sufficient, as the global CO2 level is still rising.
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 00:35:10

ozcad wrote:Evidence to the contrary:
The reported greening effect may or may not be true, but it is nowhere near sufficient, as the global CO2 level is still rising.

Is that so? We don't know to what level atmospheric CO2 would/should currently be in lieu of the excess arboreal uptake. If not for greening there might perhaps be twice or even a hundred times more global CO2 in the atmosphere. The trees took up the other 98% of the CO2.

Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds
From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

"An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States."

It's hard to dispute the evidence. Unless you are prone to vapors or alien conspiracies
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby kiwichick » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 00:38:01

meanwhile.......we lost a football pitch worth of trees every second in 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ta-reveals
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 00:40:42

kiwichick wrote:meanwhile.......we lost a football pitch worth of trees every second in 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ta-reveals

But we gained two continents since 1983. You do the math.

I'll enjoy the cool, wet California springtime :)
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby kiwichick » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 03:41:21

the vast majority of CO2 is stored in the oceans

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6323
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby ozcad » Thu 28 Jun 2018, 11:09:19

The rising Keeling curve shows that the sum of all greening effects and all of the world's CO2 sinks combined is still not enough.
However much hand waving and clever word smithing we may do, it is not enough.
However much we desperately need it to work, it is not enough.
Because it is just not enough.
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 07 Jul 2018, 00:56:45

pstarr wrote:
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Better to offgas the methane. Extra CO2 in the atmosphere is great for growing cattle fodder. :)


Is this sarcasm or do you still really believe "global greening" beneficial to Gaia?

Do you have evidence of the contrary?

For those predisposed to the supernatural I will explain the simple science one more time, to wit: excess carbon in the atmosphere has generated a continent-sized patch of new trees on the planet earth. Those trees have just begun to sequester carbon. It is their way.

Trees live to sequester carbon. Trees are carbon sequesters. The best at sequestering carbon. The Way of the Trees :-D


Somewhere on this forum several months ago an in depth article was posted showing nutrient density decreases with increased CO2. Yes more "green" but lower quality.
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 07 Jul 2018, 13:13:25

I don't require my trees to be nutritious, just woody. Useful as building material and for baseball bats and the rest :)

The additional tree growth (noted by NASA) might/probably accounts for more sequestered carbon than contained in all the world's coal/oil reserves. After all the specific condition's that created hydrocarbons were very rare. Forests are not.
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Re: The War On Trees

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 07 Jul 2018, 15:48:11

Well we'll have plenty trees, algae, jellyfish in the future.
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