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Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 07 Jun 2012, 21:22:40

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The Russian military have successfully launched a top secret advanced intercontinental ballistic missile. It is designed to counter the American antimissile shield currently being deployed in several regions.

The new weapon is an advanced version of the Topol-M and Yars missiles, already deployed by the Russian Strategic Missile Forces. The experiment was boosted off from the Plesetsk launch site in north-western Russia’s Arkhangelsk region on Wednesday. It delivered its test block to the Kura target range in Kamchatka Peninsula in the Far East.

The main purpose of the launch was to confirm feasibility of the design approaches incorporated into the missile, spokesman for the Forces Colonel Vadim Koval told journalists.

The successful test comes after a failed launch of the prototype on September 27, 2011. At the time the missile’s first-stage engine reportedly failed, which resulted in it dropping some 10 kilometers from the launch pad.

The medium-weight ICBM is “one of the military-technical measures, which Russia’s military-political leadership is taking in response to the deployment of a global antimissile defense system by the Americans,” says retired Col.-General Viktor Yesin.

The new missile may be ready for service “soon” and would boost Russia’s nuclear deterrence “in the uncertain situation”, the former head the Strategic Missile Forces’ General Staff told Interfax news agency.

According to military sources, the upgraded design behind the new weapon focused on its fuel formula. The solid propellant has been improved and allows for a faster boost, shortening the initial phase of the flight. During the boosting phase the missile is relatively slow and predictable, which makes it more vulnerable to anti-missiles.

Little detail about the new ICBM has been revealed. Unofficially dubbed Avangard, it is expected to have a MIRV-ed warhead with improved maneuvering and targeting capabilities of the vehicles. Some reports say that rather than having a traditional “bus” delivering each warhead to its target, designers chose to equip them with individual engines. This would allow active maneuvering on the descent phase.

Silo-based and mobile launcher-mounted versions of the missile are currently in development.
http://www.rt.com/news/new-strategic-missile-test-970/


Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iIgesHH9fg

Note the zigzag contrail shown in the video.. does that have to do with shield evasion?

Missile seen in Israel:

The glowing light reported in Israel's skies around 8:45 pm Thursday apparently resulted from of a failed intercontinental ballistic missile test by the Russian military, according to estimates.

Hundreds of Israelis nationwide flooded police hotlines Thursday evening with reports of an unidentified flying object in the nation's skies.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4239831,00.html


(the above article says failed test, all the other articles say successful test)
Last edited by Ferretlover on Thu 14 Jun 2012, 01:26:33, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby dissident » Thu 07 Jun 2012, 22:51:22

The YouTube video caption reads Topol aka RS-12M, not the new missile. The Avangard does away with the MIRV bus and each warhead is another missile that actively guides itself instead of following a ballistic trajectory.
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 07 Jun 2012, 23:07:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbj59u28 ... re=related

I can't read Russian, this was put up yesterday, shows from a few seconds after launch to exit taking about 1 minute. Quite spectacular in an ominous kind of way.
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby radon » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 01:35:46

Sixstrings wrote:
Missile seen in Israel:



Plesetsk, Kamchatka and any ballistic trajectory connecting them are far far away from Israel... No way the missile could go Israel's way, this is fantasy. Also, they do not tend to declare unsuccessful tests as successful.

SeaGypsy wrote:shows from a few seconds after launch to exit taking about 1 minute.


This is Volgograd (former Stalingrad), on the south of the country, low Volga river. There is another launching site over there, Kapustin Yar, they do test launches over there from time to time, and people can see them. The launches were more frequent back at the soviet times, but they still use this site now. Nothing mysterious, I've seen those launches myself many years ago at that place (went camping there, low Volga is a popular place for fishermen).
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 06:41:01

Another issue here..

Doesn't this violate treaty? I thought there was a treaty against new ICBM tests.

Russians must have been working on this missile for a long time, apparently as long as we've been working on the shield.

Anyhow this sure clears things up. No turning back now, NATO has to go forward with the shield, ramp it up even more to counter the new Russian ICBM. I hope Russians don't go and blow up the planet, wouldn't that be ironic after all these years fretting over climate change and peak oil.
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 06:48:25

On Missile Defense, Russian Paranoia Trumps Reality

Korchunov’s article contains both technical curiosities and blatant hypocrisy. For example, he writes:

"Even the limited current deployments of missile-defense elements are worrying for Russia. The proposed BMD base inPoland, housing increasingly capable SM-3 interceptors, is less than 100 kilometers away fromRussia’sKaliningradregion. At the other end of the Continent, the AN/TPY-2 phased-array radar inTurkeycan potentially monitor the air space over the entire Caucasus, parts of Central Asia and much ofSouthern Russiaas well."

Firstly, SM-3 interceptors carry only kinetic warheads. A kinetic warhead is a projectile that does not contain an explosive charge. It is effective against incoming missiles because it can attain a high muzzle velocity and collide with its target at high speeds—without the use of explosives. This is unlike conventional warheads on missiles that contain explosives like Russia’s Iskander missiles, for example. SM-3 interceptors pose no threat to Kaliningrad.

Secondly, Russia has very little room to talk when complaining about NATO’s AN/TPY-2 phased-array radar in Turkey. In 2006, Russia established a similar radar system at its Armavir Radar Station near the Black Sea. Russia also has its Gabala Radar Station in Azerbaijan, which has a range of more than 4,000 miles and covers parts of Turkey, the Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and parts of China. It has been reported that U.S. Tomahawk cruise missiles launched during the early days of the Afghanistan operation were spotted by Russia thanks to its Gabala Radar.

By definition as a defensive weapon, missile defense is not directed at anyone who is not a potential military threat to NATO. Therefore, the only way NATO’s Ballistic Missile Defense system can be considered a threat toRussia is ifRussia plans on using ballistic missiles againstEurope—a scenario that seems so unlikely it is almost implausible.

Russia’s argument that NATO’s Ballistic Missile Defense is a threat is no more valid than saying that the body armor worn by NATO troops in Afghanistan as protection against the Taliban is also a threat to Russia. If the technology exists, which it does, then NATO has a responsibility to protect its people.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/07/on-missile-defense-russian-paranoia-trumps-reality/
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 06:53:44

All kinds of scary things come up if you news google "Russia" and "missile".

This doesn't inspire much confidence:

Russian Missile Forces Have ‘Safe Busting’ Sledgehammer

Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces are equipped with a special ‘safe-busting’ sledgehammer that can be used in an emergency to break open the safe containing launch codes if it fails to open, a spokesman for the Rocket Forces, Col. Vadim Koval said on Wednesday.

The sledgehammer's existence first came to light in 1980, when a group of inspecting officers from the General Staff visiting Strategic Missile Forces headquarters asked General Georgy Novikov what he would do if he received a missile launch order but the safe containing the launch codes failed to open.

Novikov said he would “knock off the safe’s lock with the sledgehammer” he kept nearby, the spokesman said.

At the time the inspectors severely criticized the general's response, but the General Staff’s top official said Novikov would be acting correctly.


Since then, the sledgehammer has been on combat duty at the Missile Forces headquarters in the closed town of Vlasikha in Moscow region.
http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120606/173873812.html


Good lord, what are they doing over there.. what's the point of having the codes in a safe if they've got a huge sledgehammer next to it? If they've been doing this since 1980 I guess it's okay, not sure why it's in the news now though, and sounds kind of amateurish like "we don't really know if these safes will even open let's put a sledgehammer in here." 8O
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby sparky » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 19:00:48

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The sledgehammer is meant as a joke ,
even Russian general have a sense of humor

It remind me of those guy who were laughing at the tool kit inside the KV heavy tank
-item .......one hammer , to change gear

the hammer was to change the cogs in the gearbox
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 20:40:32

Forget the shield, at least a ballistic one; capable lasers would have to be operated from space, we already know satellites are not invulnerable. The wobbling trajectory is not some accident, it makes track prediction whilst the rocket is at target speed impossible. These can be launched anywhere and can change trajectory during both take off and re-entry stages, after taking less than 2 minutes to exit the atmosphere.
"What are they doing?" Mocking the shield, the whole concept is dead before it hit the water.
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 21:47:45

Some might wonder if the development of a new Russian offensive ICBM is banned under the START treaty of 1991 that produced such a huge reduction in the number of nuclear weapons in the US and the USSR.

It turns out the START treaty was renegotiated with the Russians by Obama in 2010 and a new Treaty named START II was signed by Obama and Medvedev in February, 2011.

Obama was very flexible in giving the Russian what they wanted in the new treaty----. For instance, the new treaty explicitly allows the development of new ICBM attack missiles.

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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 09 Jun 2012, 01:21:16

Sixstrings wrote:Another issue here..

Doesn't this violate treaty? I thought there was a treaty against new ICBM tests.

These days treaties are becoming irrelevant.
After pulling out of anti-ballistic missile treaty by the US some years ago they are even *less* relevant.
Anyway, I doubt that such a treaty exists but I might be wrong.

Anyhow this sure clears things up. No turning back now, NATO has to go forward with the shield, ramp it up even more to counter the new Russian ICBM.

In this case next step for Russians is to build tens of thousands of ICBM-s carrying hundreds of thousands of warheads to make sure that 5% of these would be enough to convert NATO into a pile of glass, should need have arisen.

And of course Chinese must quickly build comparable nuclear deterrent... and Indians too... and Japs as well (they have closed their NPP-s, so the best use for their fissile stocks would be to build weapons systems).

...and so on...
We can even get a temporary fast growth of GDP and return of prosperity out of that.
Millions of workers employed in atomic weapons and shields factory everywhere on Earth.
A lot of construction contracts... new housing for populace working in atomic weapon factory and so on...
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 09 Jun 2012, 01:36:49

Sixstrings wrote:Good lord, what are they doing over there.. what's the point of having the codes in a safe if they've got a huge sledgehammer next to it? If they've been doing this since 1980 I guess it's okay, not sure why it's in the news now though, and sounds kind of amateurish like "we don't really know if these safes will even open let's put a sledgehammer in here." 8O

It is probably an element of psychological warfare, aimed at scaring Americans that WWIII could be started by drunk mid rank Russian officer equipped with a sledgehammer.

But on the other hand planning is all what military is about.
You must have a credible plan what to do in situation where putative safe have failed to open...
Russian are more "brutal", so they would resort to a *sledgehammer* but more sophisticated Americans could be using some more advanced device like an *angle grinder*, perhaps one driven by compressed air to be 100% resistant against EMP attack.
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sat 09 Jun 2012, 01:50:27

SeaGypsy wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbj59u281rw&feature=related

I can't read Russian, this was put up yesterday, shows from a few seconds after launch to exit taking about 1 minute. Quite spectacular in an ominous kind of way.

My wife was also excited when I was beating one guy about 20 years ago and she was actively soliciting to beat him even more, so why are you finding it spectacular for a woman to enjoy a rocket launch?
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 09 Jun 2012, 04:26:02

sparky wrote:.
The sledgehammer is meant as a joke ,
even Russian general have a sense of humor


US military news sent out to its soldiers doesn't joke about things like that. Nuclear launch is the most serious business there is.

I guess I should lighten up. One just hopes though that both sides take preventing un-authorized / mistaken / foolish launch super serious.
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Re: Russia test fires new anti-shield ICBM, seen from Israel

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 09 Jun 2012, 04:39:50

Plantagenet wrote:Some might wonder if the development of a new Russian offensive ICBM is banned under the START treaty of 1991 that produced such a huge reduction in the number of nuclear weapons in the US and the USSR.

It turns out the START treaty was renegotiated with the Russians by Obama in 2010 and a new Treaty named START II was signed by Obama and Medvedev in February, 2011.


START II allows this? Do you have a link?

I was wondering about this, my first thought was these new ICBM tests were banned, I thought anyway.
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Re: THE Russia and the Space Shields Thread (merged)

Unread postby Subjectivist » Mon 26 Oct 2015, 22:53:48

We could really use a space shield right about now!


WT1190F, a less than 7-foot-wide piece of junk, is soaring through space straight toward Earth with a meet-up scheduled for November 13.

According to Nature News, this debris named “for an unprintable expression of bafflement,” was considered “lost,” as it was on the far side of the moon. When scientists spotted it earlier this month, they started paying closer attention and projected that the object will indeed enter Earth’s atmosphere and likely fall into the Indian Ocean about 40 miles off the coast of Sri Lanka. Still, Nature reported that most will burn up in the atmosphere.

The European Space Agency said that while the object’s “mass is not sufficient to cause any threat to the area, [...] the show will still be spectacular, since for a few seconds the object will become quite bright in the noon sky.”

Richard Kowalski, senior research specialist with the Catalina Sky Survey at University of Arizona, Tucson, wrote in a Facebook post with a map projecting the area where the debris could hit that it was discovered on October 3 by Rose Matheny.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10 ... ectacular/
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