[Plantagenet]

cock suckers....

Your potty mouth is overflowing.



Please flush.

Thanks!

[Pops]

Moderate Republicans are going to become Democrats before long. There goes the neighborhood!

Maybe. But it turns out people don't switch parties much. maybe only 9% of Rs went D in 2020... but at the same time 9% of Ds went R! In the demo you would expect, uneducated white Ds, 12% of went R while only 6% of Rs in that demo went D.

While individual-level change has not resulted in a significant net shift in the overall balance of party identification in the electorate, that is not the case within demographic groups. For instance, among white voters without a college degree, a larger share of 2018 Democrats now tilt to the GOP than vice versa (12% vs. 6%). The reverse is true among white college graduates: 4% of 2018 Democrats in this group now associate with the GOP, while 8% of 2018 Republicans now associate with the Democratic Party. Among nonwhite voters, 10% of 2018 Democrats have moved to the GOP, while roughly twice that share of 2018 Republicans (21%) have moved to the Democratic Party.

These patterns are similar to those seen in prior years and are consistent with the long-term shifts in the composition of Republican and Democratic voters. A recent Pew Research Center examination of trends in partisan identification since 1994, based on telephone surveys, illustrated that white college-educated voters have moved in a Democratic direction over time, while white voters without a college degree have become more Republican.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... ivergence/

All a part of the continuing sort and stack.

The same study also found, more importantly I think, that it is the less engaged voters who switch. People with stronger ideology know where they go, they may bitch but are pretty well aligned with their party on most issues. These party faithful are the people who vote in primaries, which in many cases are the de facto election in gerrymandered districts. As the polarization grows so does the partisanship because pols can't stray from their lane.

...but...
I would agree that even though people don't switch parties all that much—and less so now than ever—the republicans continued journey through crazy town, their proud ignorance, their anti-democratic authoritarian fervor, and their kowtow to the rich, might, maybe, cause the party to go through some kind of internal sea change as it did when Goldwater, shall we say, "attracted" southern Ds. The party lately went from Mittens/Ryan TEA Party to whatever that last administration was. The only thing that stayed the same all that time was the tax breaks and deregulation for the owners.

Maybe Rs will never catch on that they are the suckers being played while the owners eat their lunch or maybe they like to be owned
.

[Ibon]

Maybe Rs will never catch on that they are the suckers being played while the owners eat their lunch or maybe they like to be owned
.

They are happy to be owned as long as the owners legitimize their racism. It really really really is just that simple and I know I am being a bit reductionist but it is the only logical explanation why they remain loyal against their own best interests.

The R party will never agree to the D party to spend more on education.

Education will set you free

It has enabled women in 3rd world countries to own their reproductive health
It has enabled society globally to get out and under from the yoke of religious superstition.

And in the case of the R Party keeping their constituents stupid and uneducated has allowed them to maintain their status as owners.

The one common underlying base line anchor that keeps the uneducated Republicans tethered to their owners is their racism. Allowing people of color to advance and progress represents a deep deep wounding pain in the racist hearts of those deplorable uneducated republicans.

The owners in the R party are the puppet masters of nativism and racism.

[Plantagenet]

... the R Party keeping their constituents stupid and uneducated has allowed them to maintain their status

Actually its the D party that controls just about every big city, where the education system is failing our minority students.

Allowing people of color to advance and progress represents a deep deep wounding pain in the racist hearts of those deplorable uneducated republicans.

Again, its the D party that controls just about every big city, where the education system is failing our minority students, and depriving people of color of a fair chance to advance and progress. Apparently allowing BIPOC people a chance to advance represents a deep deep wounding pain in the racist hearts of those deplorable uneducated democrats.


Somewhere in a D controlled city another Bidenville is forming.....

Cheers!

[aadbrd]

...its the D party
...its the D party

It's the R party that are expert blame-shifters.

[Plantagenet]

...its the D party
...its the D party

It's the R party that are expert blame-shifters.

Is that why you're trying to shift the blame for the poor public schools in big D controlled cities?

Cheers!

[Newfie]

...its the D party
...its the D party

It's the R party that are expert blame-shifters.

Aardb,

You have lost me here. Plants point seems rock solid, it surely matches my experience.

Explain you disagreement please.

[aadbrd]

"deep wounding pain in the racist hearts of those deplorable uneducated democrats."

Come on, Newfie, this is troll-grade hyperbole from him, not an argument. I'm not going to feed the trolls by gracing that with a rebuttal. Whataboutism is about all he has to offer rather than coming to grips with the ingrown problems of the Republican party he so obviously loves.

[Newfie]

There is an awful lot of sensationalism spouted on this forum and in the news in general. I don’t like it but if we clamped down on it then there would he no one left. If you object to that kind of writing then the best thing to do is to abstain from it yourself.

Yet there are good bits of truth in many posts that contain hurtful and disingenuous arguments. And that is where the value of these conversations lies, in the good bits that get posted.

Plant may or may not love the R party, why don’t you ask him?

And there is truth that the D party has complete control of major cities, the top 9 if not 10. Chicago and Philly have been one party strongholds for decades. Yet these cities have terrible track records for corruption and social services.

I see no reasonable way to blame these failures on the R party or anyone else other than the D’s. Sure you can find some points where the R’s have not helped. But if the D party had any better ideas they have not shown them.

[Ibon]

And there is truth that the D party has complete control of major cities, the top 9 if not 10. Chicago and Philly have been one party strongholds for decades. Yet these cities have terrible track records for corruption and social services.

I see no reasonable way to blame these failures on the R party or anyone else other than the D’s. Sure you can find some points where the R’s have not helped. But if the D party had any better ideas they have not shown them.

One thing you have to ask yourself is why do the residents of urban areas continue to vote D if they are doing such a terrible job?

I see urban failure partially as a failure of D's as well but even much more a failure of the R party deciding to not really engage in this electorate. There are a lot of conservative religious folks of color living in urban areas. Why hasn't the R party reached out?

And then we have issues like red lining and systemic racism and the insidious culture of poverty that takes hold of communities. African Americans leave urban areas and head out to the suburbs when their initiative allows them to progress and they often do not look back. And so a filter process happens in inner cities where only those mired in poverty remain. You cant blame that on either party.

This is just like the filter process in rural AMerica where if you are white and are gay or LTGB or liberal and well educated you often leave for urban areas and this filter process just leaves a more homogenized population of intolerance that is very very vulnerable to grievance baiting and nativism.

These issues you cannot blame on one party or the other, they are deep and systemic and self perpetuating.

[jedrider]

It seems to me that the Republicans are controlling the narrative and have been since Ronald Reagan (or before if one wants to include racial equality). Is this not true (asking to our Republicans friends on this site)?

Democrats are merely applying the brakes to Republican rhetoric and almost no more. Democrats are controlled by not making huge gaffs, while Republicans focus on, mostly artificial, wedge issues. Is this not true?

It's disingenuous to blame one party for the other party's shortcomings. The inner city is not a party BTW. You cannot blame the inner city on either party alone.

So where am I on this? It's the REPUBLICAN thread. Stop blaming Democrats and diverting the conversation.

We, in Democrat land, are basically waiting for Republicans to self-destruct. I don't know if that is fanciful or not, but in the mean time:
Democrats are trying to govern, however imperfect.

I think that Republicans could have owned this country except for their extremism. It is this extremism that is keeping the Democrats afloat currently. I don't see that abating. Republicans did lose on the last round, but the margin was slim.

Is going more extreme going to rescue the Republicans? As I said, they are controlling the narrative to a large extent. However, the Democrats now seem to be creating their own narrative: Bail out the middle class rather than the upper class! Republicans are concentrating on bailing out the mindset of the middle class, but not their economics.

Stay tuned.

[Pops]

There is an awful lot of sensationalism spouted on this forum and in the news in general. I don’t like it but if we clamped down on it then there would he no one left. If you object to that kind of writing then the best thing to do is to abstain from it yourself.

Pretty funny generalisation about generalisations as intro to spouting a generalisation without any refrence, LOL

Why are cities corrupt?
That's where the money is.

Here is a fact
The largest 25 cities produce 50% of the GDP of the country.

Roll the rest of the country into one big pile and figure out how much corruption happens in little R towns and counties everywhere and you might have a valid comparison.

[Newfie]

So by that logic:

Bill Gates is the most corrupt person in the world.

And the penniless gang bangers are saints.

[aadbrd]

Plant may or may not love the R party, why don’t you ask him?

Because he is the least self-aware and self-reflective person on the planet. You learn his allegiances by the way he posts, not how he declares them.

[Pops]

So by that logic:

Bill Gates is the most corrupt person in the world.

And the penniless gang bangers are saints.

I thought the point was obvious,
a) Corruption is ubiquitous
b) Big cities have big problems
c) They make the news

You won't hear about the drywall contractor and Alderman busted for graft in building the jail in my little republican town because it was only a couple grand. But multiply that by a million little republican burgs, the other 50%, and it is likely equal to or greater than corruption in the "Democrat Cities."

But left unsaid by me and by your trumpist cliche, is the fact that as usual republicans have no answers. Guns, God and trickle down don't fix real world problems like crumbling infrastructure, traffic congestion, poverty, homelessness and crime. Arguably the flood of guns, low "trickle-up" wages and efforts to stop mass transit and EPA rules, etc, etc are the worse thing for cities. But you and republicans don't care because they make a great goat.

I think it axiomatic that if Rs had some big plan to do better they would run, get elected, and fix up those shitholes.

For Rs, cities are the embodiment of the Other, the surrogate USSR, the foil to excuse Y'all Qaeda for their gun fetish. All in the service of cutting the taxes on the 1%.

"Let em rot." That's one thing no president had ever said.

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Defense One

[jedrider]

+1 Pops
-1 Newfie

[Plantagenet]

Guns, God and trickle down don't fix real world problems like crumbling infrastructure, traffic congestion, poverty, homelessness and crime.

Then why would you suggest it? Why waste everyone's time with such nonsense.

efforts to stop mass transit ... are the worse thing for cities.

Who do you imagine is trying to stop mass transit? Thats just more fantasyland nonsense.

I think it axiomatic that if Rs had some big plan to do better they would run, get elected, and fix up those shitholes.

Many cities continue to vote overwhelmingly for Ds, in spite of the fact some cities are clearly "s-holes" as you put it. Now, the latest thing is Ds promising to "defund the police" in these criime-ridden cities. Obviously that will make crime even worse....and sure enough we've seen a huge spike in crime in major cities since last summer. This is very predictable....its called the "Ferguson effect" after the jump in crime seen in Ferguson Mo that followed the Obama administration and local Ds siding with the criminal instead of the police. Now we're see a nationwide "ferguson effect" cause a nationwide increase in crime that is directly attributable to the incompetent D leadership in many of our major cities.

For Rs, cities are the embodiment of the Other, the surrogate USSR, the foil to excuse Y'all Qaeda for their gun fetish.

Again, you are just talking nonsensical gibberish.

You often start with a good idea, but then you go off again and again on these rhetorical flights of fancy that just don't make any sense. I hate to tell you this, but a lot of the strange ideas you are ranting about and denouncing exist only in your imagination.

Cheers!

[Newfie]

Pops wrote

I thought the point was obvious,
a) Corruption is ubiquitous
b) Big cities have big problems
c) They make the news

The point is not obvious.

Corruption is “ubiquitous” only in the sense that exists everywhere, the DEGREE to which it exists is highly variable.

By your argument communist Chinese cities have no more corruption than say Halifax, Canada.

My point is that single party rule supports corruption, no matter the party; communist, Nazi, R or D.

i am rather amazed at your disparagement of democracy.

[jedrider]

So, Newfie, no comment on Liz Cheney?

Liz Cheney Helped Create Donald Trump’s GOP
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/liz-cheney-republican-party-create_n_609579c7e4b0f73e530d4b2e

That says volumes of your purpose (and Plant's, too) to stoke doubt on Democrats whilst never having any introspection on Republicans
ON A REPUBLICAN THREAD!

[Plantagenet]

So.... no comment on Liz Cheney?

That says volumes of your purpose (and Plant's, too) to stoke doubt on Democrats whilst never having any introspection on Republicans
ON A REPUBLICAN THREAD!

I find it very amusing that the Ds are so upset because the Rs have selected a more liberal R to take Liz Cheney's place in the house leadership.

You'd think the Ds would support the more liberal R but no........the Ds (and their supporters in the MSM) are caterwauling and gnashing their teeth because the conservative R lost to the liberal R.

Methinks I see the usual hypocrisy from the Ds, there. They pretend to support liberal ideas but really they're just vicious party animals out to promote their own party.

How about you, jedr? Do you also support the more conservative R over the liberal R?


The Ds claim they support liberal ideas but when push comes to shove they are just party animals out to promote the D party

Cheers!