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THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 09 Jul 2017, 10:36:21

In previous warmings: "...within only 130 years the oceans underwent devastating changes that led to complete collapse of invertebrates on the seafloor. More worryingly, the fossil records show that ecosystem recovery took at least 1,000 years..."

https://phys.org/news/2015-04-ocean-dea ... h.html#jCp
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 27 Jul 2017, 13:45:52

I went fishing out of Boston this last weekend. Tides were extremely low due to the sun and moon lining up for an eclipse. Low tide was so low that some boats were sitting on the mud in their slips and we had to wait two hours before we could clear the harbor. Doesn't prove anything of course but sea level is going to have to rise quite a bit more before anybody has to take any action and nobody should abandon their dredging plans hoping the problem will go away by itself.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 27 Jul 2017, 14:06:08

Boston mostly rises steeply out of the ocean, and except for Back Bay perhaps, is not in much threat from sea level rise.

The Miami area, on the other hand regularly floods now with high tide, especially 'king' tides.

So no, we don't have to wait for slr to be problem. It already is a big problem is lots of places, and those problems will get worse and worse, and will spread to more and more places.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 27 Jul 2017, 14:20:21

dohboi wrote:Boston mostly rises steeply out of the ocean, and except for Back Bay perhaps, is not in much threat from sea level rise.

The Miami area, on the other hand regularly floods now with high tide, especially 'king' tides.

So no, we don't have to wait for slr to be problem. It already is a big problem is lots of places, and those problems will get worse and worse, and will spread to more and more places.

Many of the places that are already experiencing problems are doing so due to land subsidence much more then sea level rise. Louisiana being the prime example. Even if sea levels were dropping they would still have a problem caused by the levy system preventing the Mississippi from periodically inundating the delta lands and depositing fresh layers of silt. The problem has been known about for decades and the only surprising thing is how little positive action has been taken to deal with it.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 27 Jul 2017, 15:54:13

"Many of the places that are already experiencing problems are doing so due to land subsidence much more then sea level rise"

Many...not most. Nice attempt to minimize very real dangers, though. I'm sure the current and future victims of slr will be most thankful for that!

Look up Kiribati, among many other examples.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 30 Aug 2017, 10:12:02

Sea Shepard is looking for new ways to combat Japanese whaling. The Japanese government is supporting the whalers and sea Shepard can't compete.

http://gcaptain.com/outflanked-sea-shep ... -missions/
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 26 Sep 2017, 14:03:41

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace ... 8dc12cf6f4

Global Ocean Circulation Appears To Be Collapsing Due To A Warming Planet

...Evidence is growing that the comparatively cold zone within the Northern Atlantic could be due to a slowdown of this global ocean water circulation. Hence, a slowdown in the planet's ability to transfer heat from the tropics to the northern latitudes. The cold zone could be due to melting of ice in the Arctic and Greenland. This would cause a cold fresh water cap over the North Atlantic, inhibiting sinking of salty tropical waters. This would in effect slow down the global circulation and hinder the transport of warm tropical waters north....
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby 35Kas » Tue 26 Sep 2017, 19:34:12

Meaning that the weather will start turning much colder in Europe (goodbye mild weather in your 50+deg latitude lands) and the waters in the Gulf of Mexico and Tropical North Atlantic will retain more heat - which will power increasingly more powerful hurricanes.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 29 Oct 2017, 23:01:21

Ocean acidification is deadly threat to marine life, finds eight-year study

by Fiona Harey, Guardian
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 05 Dec 2017, 16:01:03

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... tenborough

Oceans Under Greatest Threat in History
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dissident » Sun 10 Dec 2017, 10:59:28

dohboi wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/05/oceans-under-greatest-threat-in-history-warns-sir-david-attenborough

Oceans Under Greatest Threat in History


The BBC ordered a fact check. That's thick and rich. More proof the MSM is a waste of space. It is in large part responsible for the lack of action until this point. Spreading denier opinions as if they were equivalent to actual understanding was and still is to some extent the norm.

Global warming is an IQ test and humanity is failing, badly.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 22 Dec 2017, 05:45:58

UN poised to move ahead with landmark treaty to protect high seas

Waters outside national boundaries are currently unregulated, devastated by overfishing and pollution. 140 countries back the motion to establish a treaty


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -high-seas
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 13 Feb 2018, 19:38:25

dohboi wrote: UN poised to move ahead with landmark treaty to protect high seas

Waters outside national boundaries are currently unregulated, devastated by overfishing and pollution. 140 countries back the motion to establish a treaty


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -high-seas
What dose that leave you? Sixty countries that will just do what they want?
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 13 Feb 2018, 20:19:27

A good use for carrier groups.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 13:40:14

Newfie wrote:A good use for carrier groups.
Dammed expensive fish cops don't you think?
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 17:10:06

Well they are out there anyway. I don’t see any additional expense.

But also, what is the cost of having no fish?
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