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Re: The New Tribalism

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 16 Oct 2018, 19:05:59

Well KJ you see the problem is you just went sensitive enough!
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Re: The New Tribalism

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 17 Oct 2018, 10:59:35

KaiserJeep wrote:Well, it's not like traffic enforcement is much of a deterrent anyways. Studies have shown that the average driver breaks the speed limit about 3200+ times per each speeding ticket. BTW, this seems off-topic for this thread, at least I couldn't make much connection to "tribalism".

It seems to me we have always been partisan and tribalistic. The MSM and the Internet just make this existing tendancy worse, as with many other things.

It's completely on topic. I'm simply addressing some of the philosophical reasons for the separation that Americans feel from each other. Security is a basic one that people on the right cite. They use the necessity of it to push their tribe into the forefront. They also use it to unify those who have reasons to go another way. The truth is, though, that it doesn't rise to the level of importance which they claim it does. They use fear to orchestrate conformity when the resources which are bound by that fear could be used to great advantage elsewhere. But that dovetails into their agenda of small government and society that fails to understand itself as a greater body politic that has the right to address its weaknesses. Their reasons are economic and related to how they view their right to keep their stuff above owing any debt to society. When pressed, they tend to call all overtures calling for a shared state of being, a taxation scheme which ties society together, communist. If the times are not right for that strict label they seek to demonize any such efforts by denigrating the term "liberal."
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Re: The New Tribalism

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 17 Oct 2018, 11:42:59

The greatest money maker is not speeding tickets, by the way. The cops don't line up ten, twenty or thirty deep on side streets on Friday and Saturday night in so many towns across the country to catch speeders. Speeding doesn't cost the individual on the order of ten thousand dollars a pop. The resources are aimed at where the money comes from. But all of those revenue streams will dry up under the driverless revolution. Arguing about which thing deserves the attention of the already too large an emphasis upon security policing apparatus will become a moot point.

That's when, if we don't get a handle on it, the tenet of security which is a pillar of right wing tribalism could metamorphose into something else. It is essential for the right to believe that, by the way, because otherwise the resources could find their way into fulfilling social behaviors, in the way that I described how the best way to keep a neighborhood up is for the residents to project an image of care for their neighborhood. That would imbue the left with too much staying power, justifying the use of taxes to help being about order within society based upon a kind of need. Here, I emphasize that it really is a need to participate, or, really, equal opportunity.

The kind of energy behind an overemphasis upon security, and the efficacy that judgement has in causing the masses to capitulate is simply too tempting for it not to arise in some other fashion elsewhere in society. And that will come about in an age where those in power will know so much more about everyone. They could simply move what are quite normal behaviors into the sin category and start making money off of them. The making money thing only being a means to self-reinforce the pronouncement that those who have something need to be afraid that someone else is going to take it from them at every step of the way. Getting a ticket for watching porn is an obvious candidate for such intrusiveness. Penalizing people for adhering to practices which ensure their privacy is, especially, another. Don't forget that most people who get shot by the cops are shot because the cops feel they need to obtain control first and gather facts later.
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