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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby outcast » Mon 16 Mar 2009, 21:15:30

So this quickly evolved from a "the evil coporations are out to destroy us" conspiracy theory into a "the occultists are out to get us" conspiracy theory. Maybe we should rename this website to "peak conspiracy", since so many people here seem to buy into that stuff.


This reminds me of the patriot act. Bills rushed through congress when the country is in a panic over something usually result in unintended consequences.



The difference being that this bill, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, has quite a lengthy list of things that it does NOT do, unlike the patriot act.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Jotapay » Mon 16 Mar 2009, 21:21:59

pablonite wrote:The "plan", according to the author and others does indeed span generations and is now centuries old and greed is not the motivating force. Believe it or not, creating a 'perfect world' is the objective. A one world government...

Oh, and 500 million of us is plenty according to "them".


You are more or less correct.


outcast wrote:So this quickly evolved from a "the evil coporations are out to destroy us" conspiracy theory into a "the occultists are out to get us" conspiracy theory.


You have no idea of what you speak. None.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby outcast » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 06:43:28

You have no idea of what you speak. None.

And I assume you've got a few youtube videos that provide "proof"?
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby manu » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 10:59:20

outcast wrote:
You have no idea of what you speak. None.
And I assume you've got a few youtube videos that provide "proof"?

Maybe you should watch "Seeds of Destruction". Monsanto is trying to take over the food supply. The world food supply. The U.S.Goberment is 100% behind them. If you haven't figured this out by now, maybe you have been eating to many of their gentically engineered crops.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Revi » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 11:04:13

Monsanto will not win. We'll keep exchanging seeds.


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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 12:40:15

pedalling_faster wrote:how close is this bill to Obama's desk ? if he is the genuine progressive, he will veto it. has he made any statements on it ?

Many of changes trumpeted as progressive are not so. Genuine progressiveness have either already died or it is about to die at best.

Vast numbers of progressive thinkers have been effectively neutered by environment of political correctness, another progressives have joined crowds of hedonistic morons sometimes referred as liberals and yet another part of progressives have become a servants of corporations willing to shortchange usual left values for temporary small profit and better reelection prospects. So much we can say about current day progressives.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Cynus » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 15:35:44

I am wondering what you mean by "usual left values"?
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 16:13:04

Lets say some more or less successful attempts to ensure more equitable wealth distribution, protecting/promoting rights of blue collar workforce, and aiming at efficient public services like health and education are usual left values.
Some promotion of collectivism is also example of such value, albeit experiences with Soviet block and some other nations discredited that objection in part of left wing groups.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 19:10:43

outcast wrote:
You have no idea of what you speak. None.



And I assume you've got a few youtube videos that provide "proof"?


You're just ignorant and lazy. The info is out there, you just have to do your research. Until you do, you're ignorant and lazy.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 17 Mar 2009, 19:15:24

Here is an anecdote from a Texas cotton farmer. They have to plant their cotton with an edge of specified width, entirely of a specific Monsanto genetically modified cotton seed. It is modified to repel pests. But the catch is that Monsanto is allowed to inspect (and they do inspect) your farm to verify that you have planted a hedge of Monsanto cotton around the outside your crop. If you don't comply, the state of Texas shuts your farm down.

Why is a single corporation inspecting private individual's farms with the police authority to shut them down?
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby outcast » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 01:55:52

manu wrote:
outcast wrote:
You have no idea of what you speak. None.



And I assume you've got a few youtube videos that provide "proof"?


Maybe you should watch "Seeds of Destruction".
Monsanto is trying to take over the food supply. The world food supply. The U.S.Goberment is 100% behind them.
If you haven't figured this out by now, maybe you have been eating to many of their gentically engineered crops.



I don't have a computer with working sound, mind telling me what they supposedly plan to do after they accomplish that?

You're just ignorant and lazy. The info is out there, you just have to do your research. Until you do, you're ignorant and lazy.


You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you.


Here is an anecdote from a Texas cotton farmer. They have to plant their cotton with an edge of specified width, entirely of a specific Monsanto genetically modified cotton seed. It is modified to repel pests. But the catch is that Monsanto is allowed to inspect (and they do inspect) your farm to verify that you have planted a hedge of Monsanto cotton around the outside your crop. If you don't comply, the state of Texas shuts your farm down.

Why is a single corporation inspecting private individual's farms with the police authority to shut them down?


Not that I agree with their business practices but it sounds more like an overreaching business contract. The fact is that is part of their term of service for use of their product. Microsoft has been doing stuff like this to people who resell their software as well as large scale users (like schools) for a long time now. Nothing new.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 02:45:18

The all-seeing eye of Horus. Some powerful orders feel very strong ties to the past, to Egypt and the Holy Land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence


Interestingly, the all-seeing eye is also the logo for the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency Information Awareness Office:

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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 08:43:22

outcast wrote:
You're just ignorant and lazy. The info is out there, you just have to do your research. Until you do, you're ignorant and lazy.


1. You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you.

2. Not that I agree with their business practices but it sounds more like an overreaching business contract. The fact is that is part of their term of service for use of their product. Microsoft has been doing stuff like this to people who resell their software as well as large scale users (like schools) for a long time now. Nothing new.



1. Oh yes, I can't wait to spoon feed you everything you can find on your own, but are too lazy to do so! I'm not going to regurgitate all the research and material I've read just for you. Your refusal to do anything is completely lazy. Your way of thinking keeps people ignorant and is irresponsible.

2. Business contract? The state of Texas requires the farmers to plant the Monsanto seed. This is a business contract how, exactly? This is state regulation that requires the use of a single corporation's product.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 09:21:13

Jotapay wrote: The state of Texas requires the farmers to plant the Monsanto seed.



I've probably missed it somehow, but I can't find the Texas state law to that effect.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 09:31:17

Ludi wrote:
Jotapay wrote: The state of Texas requires the farmers to plant the Monsanto seed.



I've probably missed it somehow, but I can't find the Texas state law to that effect.


I would be interested in that as well. It would be quite amazing if that was the law in Texas. Also, what is the penalty for violation ?
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 09:36:41

Ludi wrote:
Jotapay wrote: The state of Texas requires the farmers to plant the Monsanto seed.



I've probably missed it somehow, but I can't find the Texas state law to that effect.


My girlfriend, who works for the state of Texas in downtown Austin for one of her jobs, works with several women who own fairly large farms and ranches outside of town. Their husbands work the farm full-time. It will take me a day or two to get the details from her, but I'll get them.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 09:53:07

I don't know what "certified seeds" are but there are publications at this link to the Texas Dept Agriculture that lists certified seed. It includes Monsanto and many others. But, still does not say as far as I can tell that any of these are required to be used under penalty of law, just that they have been certified.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby Jotapay » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 10:12:38

She specifically told me that their farm had to be inspected by Monsanto to ensure they were planting a border with GM Monsanto seed. I'm waiting on a reply from her right now, so we'll get more details.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 10:21:54

Jotapay wrote:She specifically told me that their farm had to be inspected by Monsanto to ensure they were planting a border with GM Monsanto seed. I'm waiting on a reply from her right now, so we'll get more details.


Monsanto is very agressive in protecting their patented seeds, so maybe she has signed some agreement with Monsanto for some part of her operation and they have requirements they are levying on her. I wouldn't doubt (based on what I have read, not personal experience) that once you enter into an agreement with Monsanto that they try to get all up in your business.
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Re: Monsanto bills set to destroy organic farming

Unread postby pablonite » Wed 18 Mar 2009, 10:50:17

outcast, consider the following hypothetical scenario...

Say you are a small 5th generation farmer but haven't got around to buying your seeds from Monsanto or any of the other GM seed producers yet because you seem to be doing just fine without them, however your neighbour did.

One day you get a call from a Monsanto lawyer claiming that YOU are using their patented "round up ready" seed and they can prove it...he advises you to seek legal advice immediately.

Now just forget about "America" for a minute and imagine this happening on a global scale, imagine just how successful this strategy might be in a country like India?

Farmers in America are getting worried, farmers in India can't even comprehend what is happening.

But to make even a bigger point, just how many small farmers are even left in America?

Dude, it is just hard for some people to get their head around just how big the beast is, it can get laws passed, it can summon huge armies of lawyers to enforce those laws and it really doesn't care if you understand it or not.

Many suffer from what is known as cognitive dissonance when trying to get their head around things like this but keep working at it, the life you save may be your own.

Oh, it took me all of 10 seconds to find a link like this one...

http://www.keepmainefree.org/whosues.html

But don't hold your breath waiting for the mainstream media to bring this little problem to the collective conscience. Perhaps taking a closer look at mainstream media might be the best place for someone like you to start. Its a tough pill to swallow but your interest in these posts means you have the potential to figure it out, most people just turn off.

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