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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 07 Dec 2021, 04:36:50

The_Toecutter wrote: The average 2021 new car has the same drag coefficient as the 1921 Rumpler Tropfenwagen, approximately 0.28. The low to mid 0.1X range is possible for a practical 4-seater vehicle that can traverse bad roads. The Tesla Model S, the most efficient car currently on the market, is about 0.21. My Milan SL velomobile has a 0.08, for comparison.

Multiply the drag coefficient by the frontal area, and you get the CdA value. My 1969 Triumph GT6 has a lower CdA value than the vast majority new cars you can buy today, and it wasn't even designed with the benefit of a wind tunnel or CAD. If I were to put a 3L turbodiesel from an 80s era Mercedes 300D in it, it would likely exceed 60 mpg, and out-perform the average new car in most performance metrics(acceleration, braking, cornering, top speed, slalom, ect), and it was using 1930s era tractor-manufacturing technology when it was built. That's more than a bit of an indictment about the state of the industry today and over the last several decades. Lots of hydrocarbons have been needlessly burned to benefit the profits of the few, to the detriment of everyone else.

Well at six foot three, 235 pounds, and older then dirt I'm not going to screw myself into and out of a vehicle with a low CDa. My current Nissan Frontier pickup suits me just fine and has wonderful 4WD snow and mud capabilities. The EV full version of that body style and dimensions is what I'm looking forward to.
But enjoy your ultralight combo vehicle as you are moving the state of that art forward.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 07 Dec 2021, 09:52:07

vtsnowedin wrote:Well at six foot three, 235 pounds, and older then dirt I'm not going to screw myself into and out of a vehicle with a low CDa. My current Nissan Frontier pickup suits me just fine and has wonderful 4WD snow and mud capabilities. The EV full version of that body style and dimensions is what I'm looking forward to.
But enjoy your ultralight combo vehicle as you are moving the state of that art forward.


I think Toe_Cutter is certainly experimenting in a fascinating area, but has already been overrun by the big boys making products for Mom and 2 kids headed to Little League practice in their 3 ton F150 Lightening which they will trumpet as GREEN! 3 tons of pickup truck, my daughter caught the new Hummer on the internet yesterday, and you know, "Dad! Isn't this cool!" and I said, "well honey, what might it weigh?" and she rooted around on her phone is said "says 8000#, is that alot?" and I just sighed and moved on.

In the rural area where I had my wayward youth there were county bridges on the dirt roads that had less than that as a weight limit. Yet this kind of largesse is being touted as a solution for our transport problems, save the world, make it green, etc etc.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Tue 07 Dec 2021, 10:53:49

This kind of largesse is hogging a lot of resources. Americans keep getting fatter and fatter and the vehicles are also evolving to accommodate that. You can have a low drag coefficient with a large/comfortable vehicle, that being said. With the Hummer, or the F150 Lightening, aerodynamic efficiency was basically an afterthought. Even a pickup truck style vehicle could get a Cd into the mid 0.2X range, and an SUV/CUV, into the mid 0.1X range(see the Mercedes Bionic concept for what such a thing may look like). Most pickups are currently in the 0.4X region and SUV/CUV type vehicles in the mid 0.3X range. So they consume at least double the energy that they could otherwise, for the same comfort, largesse, and utility.

For the amount of raw materials for batteries needed to build one Hummer EV, you could build 100 of the vehicle type I have made. The Hummer uses about 0.5 kWh/mile. Most Americans will never come close to being able to afford one of these sorts of bloated, purposefully expensive monstrosities. Most Americans now struggle to afford used economy cars and 7 or 8-year loans for used cars are now a thing.

For individual transportation to truly be sustainable, it requires a low resource footprint, it needs to be easily repaired, it needs to last a lifetime, it needs to be recyclable, and it needs to be inexpensive to purchase and operate. My vehicle type, if it is ever refined into something sellable and desirable, won't work for everyone all the time, but for a single occupant going from A to B, it's rather hard to do much better, and I think the idea would have potential in low-income countries. I will be adding a cooling/misting system next summer, that while not an AC system, should offer cooling halfway comparable to one, without adding more than 2 lbs weight. Another possibility is to make a cooling suit that senses body temperature at various points and increases/decreases circulation of coolant as needed, but that will be a bit heavier, and a bit expensive to make/test, nor is there a one-size-fits-all solution on that one.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Christinevia » Tue 07 Dec 2021, 12:18:48

It is true that electric vehicles are fundamentally good for the environment. This type of vehicle helps us to be less dependent on fossil fuels. While you still need electricity to charge your car's battery, and electricity is generally still related to fossil fuels for now, electric vehicles are still much more environmentally friendly because they are zero-emissions.
On the other hand, electric vehicles are easier to recycle than convenient ones using gasoline or diesel engines. Certain vehicles are made with reusable air ducts, fibers and dashboards, making them more competitive on an environmental basis.
But conversely, electric cars still create a few disadvantages. They use the national electricity grid to charge the batteries, so they will indirectly produce some harmful emissions into the environment during the charging process. This means increased air pollution, although the impact is not as great as that of conventional motor vehicles.
The batteries used in them are lithium ion, which has a shorter lifespan and is less recyclable. Manufacturers like Toyota are trying to change this, creating batteries that are lighter and smaller, but with increased capacity and range. In the short term, the impact of electric vehicles on the environment is still much lower than that of internal combustion engine vehicles
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 07 Dec 2021, 12:48:45

The_Toecutter wrote:This kind of largesse is hogging a lot of resources. Americans keep getting fatter and fatter and the vehicles are also evolving to accommodate that.


We are First World humans. It is what we do. For all the whining and moaning and faux concern of peak oils and minerals and whatever else, this entire problem isn't all that hard, nor its solution. Change human behavior, and you can change the world. The rest of it is just visible symptoms, whining, projecting our personal demise onto the globe because it makes it more palatable to discuss with folks rather than facing our mortality head on, etc etc.

The_Toecutter wrote: So they consume at least double the energy that they could otherwise, for the same comfort, largesse, and utility.


So what? There is no energy shortage, and as long as the wind is blowing, the tides moving, there are radioactive isotopes and the local nuclear furnace in the sky has enough hydrogen, there won't be one....although there may be CHANGE in where the majority of our energy comes from. It is the change where most of the doomer whining seems to come from, that and economic fears as the world seems to be going more digital, and ever more disconnected from the good ol' days of cash and whatnot. Think...Luddites...except with economics.

The_ToeCutter wrote:For the amount of raw materials for batteries needed to build one Hummer EV, you could build 100 of the vehicle type I have made. The Hummer uses about 0.5 kWh/mile. Most Americans will never come close to being able to afford one of these sorts of bloated, purposefully expensive monstrosities. Most Americans now struggle to afford used economy cars and 7 or 8-year loans for used cars are now a thing.


Depends on how you define "most" I suppose. As many seem to be capable of buying cars in any given year as they have been for most of this century.

The_ToeCutter wrote:For individual transportation to truly be sustainable, it requires a low resource footprint, it needs to be easily repaired, it needs to last a lifetime, it needs to be recyclable, and it needs to be inexpensive to purchase and operate.


One hell of a caveat (truly sustainable) that has no meaning whatsoever in the modern world. Your stuff isn't sustainable, you need metals and electrics and whatnot. A horse is sustainable. Walking. Canoeing. Sail powered watercraft.

I wish you all the luck in the world, I think you are doing some crazy cool stuff. But it is irrelevant in nearly all of the scenarios that the doomer porn addicted McDoomsters tend to pray for in church. But if instead we are talking about an energy transition world, less for everyone as the more diffuse sources take over, a gentle movement to green/sustainable across decades, well, then you'll get beat like this....Johnny Finance see's your idea, steals it (it isn't as though you've patented any of this, right?). Johnny hires 3 electrical engineer displaced when auto manufacturing slowed down, gets a billion dollars from Wall Street, and 6 months later has your wet dream of a sweet ride copied, mass produced, distribution stores in every state, and sold 2 and 3 seater versions to mom and pops across the country for the bargain price of $8G, all shiny and non homemade looking, in cool colors and logos and maybe even a shark fin for stability at really high speeds! Think, Elon Musk, except with bicycle wheels.

And the Americas who do have the money driving 6000# Ford Lightenings will laugh, and feel bad when they squash them like a bug during collisions, but hey, if you wanted to live, you wouldn't have bought some midget little efficient thing, right?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Doly » Thu 09 Dec 2021, 10:14:40

Johnny Finance see's your idea, steals it (it isn't as though you've patented any of this, right?). Johnny hires 3 electrical engineer displaced when auto manufacturing slowed down, gets a billion dollars from Wall Street, and 6 months later has your wet dream of a sweet ride copied, mass produced, distribution stores in every state, and sold 2 and 3 seater versions to mom and pops across the country for the bargain price of $8G, all shiny and non homemade looking, in cool colors and logos and maybe even a shark fin for stability at really high speeds! Think, Elon Musk, except with bicycle wheels.


You wish it was like that. At least then Johnny would be happy.

I work in the electronics industry, and at least in this industry (and I don't think auto industry is any different), if you invent something, and patent it, what it means is that some big corporation (not little Johnny Finance) will buy it from you. Because the little inventor will get no chance of decent venture investors, being just a little inventor. Proper investors only invest on big companies. So you little inventor will get some money to keep you going for the next five years or so, while you try to either invent something new, or give up on being a badly paid inventor and get a job working for someone.

You wonder why most of the "inventions" that you hear about these days seem to suck? That's why.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 09 Dec 2021, 11:14:39

Doly wrote:
Johnny Finance see's your idea, steals it (it isn't as though you've patented any of this, right?). Johnny hires 3 electrical engineer displaced when auto manufacturing slowed down, gets a billion dollars from Wall Street, and 6 months later has your wet dream of a sweet ride copied, mass produced, distribution stores in every state, and sold 2 and 3 seater versions to mom and pops across the country for the bargain price of $8G, all shiny and non homemade looking, in cool colors and logos and maybe even a shark fin for stability at really high speeds! Think, Elon Musk, except with bicycle wheels.


You wish it was like that. At least then Johnny would be happy.


I don't wish it like that. I just mention the particulars on how the world works when it comes to cool ideas as advocated by ToeCutter. Elon himself is this basic example.

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I work in the electronics industry, and at least in this industry (and I don't think auto industry is any different), if you invent something, and patent it, what it means is that some big corporation (not little Johnny Finance) will buy it from you. Because the little inventor will get no chance of decent venture investors, being just a little inventor.


I agree. Which is why I mentioned it when explaining to ToeCutter why it wouldn't be him turning his idea into the game changer that he hopes it might be.

Doly wrote:Proper investors only invest on big companies. So you little inventor will get some money to keep you going for the next five years or so, while you try to either invent something new, or give up on being a badly paid inventor and get a job working for someone.

You wonder why most of the "inventions" that you hear about these days seem to suck? That's why.


In the example I mentioned, the little inventor gets cut out pretty thoroughly. So again, I agree with you, and thought I had laid all this out in my laconically written example. Sorry for not being more explicit.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sat 11 Dec 2021, 11:22:54

In the U.S., the demographic that can actually afford to buy NEW cars of any kind(even if it's a stripper Chevy Spark or Mitsubishi Mirage), are roughly the top 20% of the population in terms of income and/or wealth. According to a NADA study from 2015, the average new car buyer made an individual income of $80,000/year. Using the income percentile calculator linked below, that average buyer is in the 83.3 percentile for individual income in the U.S.

https://dqydj.com/archived-income-percentile-calculator-for-2015-data/

Most Americans are hurting. Severely. The bottom 4/5ths aren't buying new cars, and 3/4 of all Americans don't even have $1,000 in savings. There are a large percentage of poor or almost poor Americans who think they are "middle class" because they are middle income and can pretend they are middle class juggling debt around to "afford" that mortgage or new car and live paycheck to paycheck to do it, but are truly living beyond their means. In truth the middle class in the U.S. that can comfortably afford those things without being one medical emergency, missed paycheck, or other personal tragedy from losing everything is really found within the upper 20% of the population.

It's not the 1950s anymore. That lower-middle-class "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle in a modest suburban home with a white picket fence, a single new car, a retirement account, and a college fund for the Beav is going to cost a household $100,000 a year to maintain these days(more if you don't live in flyover country). The overwhelming majority of American households aren't making that kind of money. What used to be doable on a single blue-collar income now takes two white-collar incomes. There will be no Hummer EV or F150 Lightning in their future. They'll be lucky if they can truly afford a new Toyota Corolla. Of course, that doesn't stop people from taking out that loan and living paycheck to paycheck to keep up with the Joneses... but even they aren't the majority. Close to half the country lives paycheck to paycheck without that new car loan(they may have a 6+ year loan on a USED car) and without trying to keep up with the Joneses, and are struggling just to rent an apartment and eat low cost unhealthy overly-processed pseudo-food month to month.

I know an inventor. He was homeless working menial jobs. Now he's renting a warehouse to live out of and has a large 3D printer set up in it. These days, inventors are a bit like "starving artists". The more successful ones generally aren't rich. Someone who was already rich DOES tend to get richer off of their work though once the inventor finds a way to sell their innovation for a few thousand dollars so they can eat and pay rent for the next few months. Having the army of lawyers required to protect an intellectual property as well as the funds to get it produced in the real world is beyond the means of most people.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 11 Dec 2021, 14:16:12

The_Toecutter wrote:In the U.S., the demographic that can actually afford to buy NEW cars of any kind(even if it's a stripper Chevy Spark or Mitsubishi Mirage), are roughly the top 20% of the population in terms of income and/or wealth.


Why does NEW need to be involved. Everything is expensive NEW. I bought both of mine USED. One at about a 35% discount with 10K miles on it, the other at a 78% discount, with 35K miles on it. New? You aren't making a "let them eat cake!" argument are you?

The Toe_Cutter wrote:Most Americans are hurting. Severely. The bottom 4/5ths aren't buying new cars, and 3/4 of all Americans don't even have $1,000 in savings. There are a large percentage of poor or almost poor Americans who think they are "middle class" because they are middle income and can pretend they are middle class juggling debt around to "afford" that mortgage or new car and live paycheck to paycheck to do it, but are truly living beyond their means. In truth the middle class in the U.S. that can comfortably afford those things without being one medical emergency, missed paycheck, or other personal tragedy from losing everything is really found within the upper 20% of the population.


Yes, you have mentioned these stats before. And it has been mentioned, you and I live in different socio-economic areas, and I'll bet you those 4/5ths and $1000 in savings and poverty are sitting in similar places and circumstances. Drug use in the family, no parents around that raised them well, no role models, nobody giving a crap about them at the local level, all the things that afflict parts of our population. Your economic area to have no economic viability, I grew up in one of those, you and I are describing what it looks like. You could as likely mention that people should just MOVE to one from the other should they hope for a "better" life. That was a perfectly valid solution for me, others might not be so geographically mobile. Unfortunate, but that is a choice that they make, or was made for them by circumstance.

Globalization sucked for many Americans. Fact. And I accept that the conditions you elaborate on are a consequence of that. Your solution might be? Bring back The Good Ol' Days!?

The Toe_Cutter wrote:It's not the 1950s anymore. That lower-middle-class "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle in a modest suburban home with a white picket fence, a single new car, a retirement account, and a college fund for the Beav is going to cost a household $100,000 a year to maintain these days(more if you don't live in flyover country).


Correct. Globalization sold American manufacturing down the river. America, a formative superpower that hadn't been destroyed by WW2, had it good. It began disappearing about the time the boomer generation came of age and decided me-me-me was more important than their culture, tribe, country, or any other generation. The good ol' days ain't coming back Toe_Cutter, and lamenting the passing of that age doesn't improve this one.

The_ToeCutter wrote:I know an inventor. He was homeless working menial jobs. Now he's renting a warehouse to live out of and has a large 3D printer set up in it. These days, inventors are a bit like "starving artists".


I know a newly graduated college kid. Worked 1 year. Accepted her non-beginning job with a publicly traded multi-national company with all the benefits you can't find any more in manufacturing. Or inventing. The sooner the country recognizes that we can't beat southeast Asia or China or Africa with our cheaper labor or manufacturing, or random "inventions", and rich Americans don't like manufacturing noise, smokestacks, emissions and pollution in their neighborhood (so sure! export it to China!), the sooner youngsters might have a chance figuring out how they can get themselves a place in the New World Order, which isn't America in the 50's.

Luddites didn't succeed either, as they complained as they were being bumped off by "progress", so don't feel too bad. But you can keep trying for as long as you'd like I suppose...but there ain't no more 50's America in my future, your future, my kid's future, or anybody's future. Inequity sucks. We get it. Welcome to the non America in the 50's world, that our political leaders fearless led us to. Enjoy, don't enjoy, get yours, don't get yours, it is pretty dog eat dog out there.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 21 Dec 2021, 22:51:31

Man blows up his Tesla Model S rather then repair it. The Tesla needed a new battery, and a new battery costs $22,000 so he said WTF! and blew it up

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I was surprised by this news story because I'd always heard that EVs were cheaper to own then ICE cars because they need almost no maintenance.

Apparently that isn't true.

When a Tesla needs a battery repair it can cost $22,000! That far more then any single repair I've heard of on an ICE car, and probably more then the lifetime cost of all the repairs ever done on an ICE car.

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The poor guy strapped sticks of dynamite to his Tesla S and blew it up because it would've cost $22,000 to replace the worn out battery

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 22 Dec 2021, 10:07:43

Plantagenet wrote:I was surprised by this news story because I'd always heard that EVs were cheaper to own then ICE cars because they need almost no maintenance.

Apparently that isn't true.


What do you mean, "apparently"? Isn't the maintenance on your claimed EV as easy and rare as mine? 8)

Why would you be surprised? Or is this your admission that you are indeed a liar, and own no EV?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 22 Dec 2021, 13:57:10

AdamB wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:I was surprised by this news story because I'd always heard that EVs were cheaper to own then ICE cars because they need almost no maintenance.
Apparently that isn't true.


Why would you be surprised?


Because, as I clearly stated in my post above, its been repeatedly claimed that maintenance and repair costs for EVs are less then those for ICE cars. However, this news story shows otherwise.

If you weren't such a dope you'd be able to understand that.

For heaven's sake.....Look at what you just did----you just quoted the exact sentence in my post where I explained this very point, and yet you didn't understand it.

Thats a pretty clear sign that you've got a serious reading comprehension problem.

Perhaps you had a bad reading teacher when you were young, or perhaps you were lazy or perhaps you lacked the mental skills to learn to read properly.

But no matter what the reason is for your poor reading comprehension skills, it shows up when you post foolish things based on your lack of understanding of what you just read.

Please allow me to make a friendly suggestion....

You need to work on your reading skills.......perhaps if you improved your reading comprehension skills you wouldn't make such stupid posts.

AdamB wrote:Or is this your admission that you are indeed a liar....


Once again---another childish ad hom attack from you.

All this shows is that you are being a total dope again.

You are incapable of understanding simple sentences, so you attack other posters to cover up your own stupidity.

Once again, please allow me to explain to you that there's a reason why you are often in conflict with other posters here----you clearly don't understand what you read and then you make up some crazy thing and go off on again with another crazy post.

I suggest you stop your childish ad hom attacks and work on your reading comprehension skills.

The world would much more understandable for you if you could read and then understand what the words mean.

I'm sure there are remedial reading skills classes near you.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 22 Dec 2021, 14:07:05

Plantagenet wrote:
AdamB wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:I was surprised by this news story because I'd always heard that EVs were cheaper to own then ICE cars because they need almost no maintenance.
Apparently that isn't true.


Why would you be surprised?


Because, as I clearly stated in my post above, its been repeatedly claimed that maintenance and repair costs for EVs are less then those for ICE cars.


Lets hear about not what you claim on behalf of others, but how your EV has worked out there in Alaska. How can a scientist not understand data provided by their own vehicle?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 22 Dec 2021, 22:15:18

Plantagenet wrote:Man blows up his Tesla Model S rather then repair it. The Tesla needed a new battery, and a new battery costs $22,000 so he said WTF! and blew it up

So much distortion, though not surprising by you, given your history of claims re BEV's.

But let's pretend one crazy person in a likely made-up story constitutes the norm. And let's also pretend that for early BEV adopters, they had no idea that needing to replace the battery at some point might be a thing. :roll:

First -- battery chemistries are improving and modern BEV batteries can be expected to last hundreds of thousands of miles if not charged near zero percent to near 100 percent on fast chargers all the time.

Second, the 2017 Model S has a rather huge battery, and most BEV's for the middle class will have much smaller batteries costing less.

Third, over time, battery costs have been dropping and will continue to drop.

For example, today, the LFP (lithium iron phosphate) batteries Tesla is using for all but its long range cars (and 250ish miles of range is plenty for the vast majority of drivers, especially as more charging stations keep being built), are cheaper, last far longer re charge cycles, and are far safer re fire risk.

So most of what you're claiming is some big issue is already solved.

For me, if I get about 100,000 miles from a car, I consider more miles with good service a bonus. So if after 300,000 miles or so from an LFP BEV causes me to need a new battery, and it's not worth it -- mission accomplished re being happy with the service from my car. Oh, and likely well PAST time to get something with decades newer and better tech, safety features, etc.

As your ilk struggles harder and harder to make some bogus claim that BEV's are just horrible, you just get less and less credible. Remember, BEV's don't have to work well for 100% of the driving public to be a VERY viable overall solution. For the 1% or so that need an engine, PHEV's will make a FINE solution for the next couple decades or so until ICE car engines are banned (and no longer needed, given how much BEV's will improve by then). :idea:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 23 Dec 2021, 00:14:44

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:Man blows up his Tesla Model S rather then repair it. The Tesla needed a new battery, and a new battery costs $22,000 so he said WTF! and blew it up

So much distortion......a likely made-up story


Why do you imagine there is distortion involved? The guy is real, the story is real and the photo is real.

AND why are you pretending this story is "made-up"? The video of this guy blowing up his TESLA is all over the internet.

I provided a link to the news story.....do your own google search if you don't think its real.

You'll find dozens of news stories about this guy in Finland blowing up his Tesla because he was disgusted by the outrageous cost to repair his vehicle.

You can act like an ostrich and put your head in the sand if you like and pretend this isn't real.

But it is.

Look at the picture....look at the videos of the Tesla blowing up.....Do you not believe your own lying eyes?

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You can put your head in the sand if you like and try to hide from reality if you like...but all you accomplish is getting your face dirty. Reality doesn't change a bit just because you deny reality.

If there is any distortion going here its from you claiming this isn't a factual story.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 23 Dec 2021, 00:21:35

Plantagenet wrote:I provided a link to the news story.....do your own google search if you don't think its real.


Can we google up your blog discussing the performance of your EV in Alaskan winters?
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Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 24 Dec 2021, 17:47:51

The news story about the Finnish guy who blew up his Tesla rather than pay the outrageous repair costs to replace his battery and keep the car going just keeps growing.

And who can blame him.....$22,000 to replace a battery seems pretty high, IMHO.

The story just now showed up on my APPLE NEWS feed.

That means APPLE has picked up the story of the man blowing up his Tesla and is sending the story out to millions of people who have APPLE NEWS on their iPhones.

I watched some of the video the guy made about blowing his car up......its in Finnish but there are English subtitles on the film. Its actually pretty funny.

This isn't the first crazy problem he's had with his TESLA....basically he's really pissed off at Tesla for the extremely poor quality control in their cars....something that consumer reports and others have noted before.

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TESLA GOES BOOM! ......... Man blows up his own TESLA in Finland rather than pay $22,000 to replace the battery. He even made a model of Elon Musk and put it in the Tesla before blowing it up

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Plantagenet wrote:The news story about the Finnish guy who blew up his Tesla rather than pay the outrageous repair costs to replace his battery and keep the car going just keeps growing.


Have you had to repair your EV, outrageous maintenance involved in any way? We can compare notes, I've had mine for about a year now, when did you buy yours?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 12

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 25 Dec 2021, 13:59:30

AdamB wrote:Have you had to repair your EV, outrageous maintenance involved in any way? We can compare notes, I've had mine for about a year now, when did you buy yours?


Adam........for the third time.......no matter how many times you ask....no matter how many times you badger or swear or attack or launch ad homs or entreat or wheedle or change tone and enquire politely as you doing this time.... I'm not going to discuss anything about my personal life with you.

Peakoil.com is a great site for discussing peak oil and energy issues and current events ---- and thats the only reason why I visit this site.

Oh.......there is one more reason. I visit this site to get my laugh-of-the-day. Just about every day there's something here that makes me laugh out loud.

And thats a very good thing.

And so now I want to wish you and all the posters at this wonderful chat site a MERRY CHRISTMAS! Have a great holiday!

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AdamB wrote:Have you had to repair your EV, outrageous maintenance involved in any way? We can compare notes, I've had mine for about a year now, when did you buy yours?


Adam........for the third time.......no matter how many times you ask....no matter how many times you badger or swear or attack or launch ad homs or entreat or wheedle or change tone and enquire politely as you doing this time.... I'm not going to discuss anything about my personal life with you.


You already have. Your remembrances of the Forbidden City were quite nice. And you have already announced your ownership of an EV. And I'm not asking about your personal life you half wit, I'm asking about the data you have on your CAR.

While I'll grant you that Alaskan scientists might not match up well against L48 scientists, even THEY should know that there is this thing called data, and scientists as naturally understand what it is and how it works and how we think about it without anything personal being involved.

I am asking a non-personal question that a teenager with a drivers license 2 months old could answer....how does your EV do in the climate of Alaska?

If your answer is as much a fraud as the idea that you aren't already discussing your personal life with me, and everyone here, then it calls into question your veracity in general, and claims of EV ownership in particular. Really, is pointing out your lying on this website how you want me to craft my new signline?

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