vtsnowedin wrote:Thinking about what I would require in an EV for me to purchase one. It would have to be a pickup platform with at least a six foot bed allowing 4x8 sheets of building material to be hauled with the tailgate down. It would have to be 4X4 and have a range of 200 miles at twenty below zero F. It would have to have ground clearance enough and a durably bottom sheet etc. to allow it to wallow dragging through spring mud without sustaining any damage. Payload of about 1500 lbs without the range dropping below 100 miles. No need of "ludicrous" mode but a good crisp merge onto 75 mph interstates is a must. Electric charging costs would have to be less then sixteen cents per driven mile. Total lifetime cost would have to be at or below 58 cents per mile adjusted for inflation over the lifetime of the truck.
They are not there yet with any EV but I would not be surprised if something checking all those boxes is not on the market five years from now.
rockdoc123 wrote:a lot of the people who are buying pickups here are going for the cheap ones (which are comparable to intermediate size cars price wise here) and they are not 4x4. 2 wheel is even worse as there is basically no traction on ice unless the back has a heavy load in it.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Do you have a heated garage for overnight storage for your truck? At the temps. you're concerned about, that is a real "thing" for Tesla in frigid temps, given the vampire battery power loss.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:rockdoc123 wrote:a lot of the people who are buying pickups here are going for the cheap ones (which are comparable to intermediate size cars price wise here) and they are not 4x4. 2 wheel is even worse as there is basically no traction on ice unless the back has a heavy load in it.
In my experience in central KY city driving, such pickup trucks are commonly seen after minor wrecks, backwards on some (or half off) some road, pointed the wrong way, clearly having lost control. This is in both rain, especially on hills, as well as icy conditions.
Folks I know with such pickups routinely fill the beds with snow or wood or some such load when we have a bad storm, because otherwise, they basically can't get around since in a bad storm, it takes several days to a week to get all but the busy roads plowed. (We don't have such storms often enough to merit sufficient equipment to do more than salting and minor plowing of major roads.)
To me, having a two wheel drive vehicle with a front engine and rear wheel drive makes it something I don't even want to drive in icy conditions. Then again, I'm a coward, and want reasonably safe driving conditions where feasible. (Get in one bad high speed wreck with a drunk running a red light, and it will cure you of the mirage that cars are "safe" in such an accident. The physics of momentum is impressive in such a crash -- safety equipment or not).
vtsnowedin wrote:Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Do you have a heated garage for overnight storage for your truck? At the temps. you're concerned about, that is a real "thing" for Tesla in frigid temps, given the vampire battery power loss.
Interesting point.
My vehicles all live outside at present. A garage is of course an option you can add that has more utility then just keeping the EV warm but just as my diesel tractor has plugin block heaters to allow it to start in sub zero temps I would expect a true work truck EV to have sufficient heaters employed while charging to have battery and cab ready to go even if parked out in a blizzard.
Armageddon wrote:Lol @ idiots who think we are going to convert the EV’s. There’s a reason there’s 1 billion gas engines and only 4 million EV’s. Wake up fools and try living in the real world. Probably the same idiots who thought ethanol, hydrogen and other unrealistic flavors of the day were going to save us. The US is in the ME and will fight for every last drop of oil. Get use to it.
vtsnowedin wrote:Armageddon wrote:Lol @ idiots who think we are going to convert the EV’s. There’s a reason there’s 1 billion gas engines and only 4 million EV’s. Wake up fools and try living in the real world. Probably the same idiots who thought ethanol, hydrogen and other unrealistic flavors of the day were going to save us. The US is in the ME and will fight for every last drop of oil. Get use to it.
How many horse drawn buggies were there when the first thousand Model T's came off Fords assembly line?
If EVs become economical people will adopt them, if not ,they wont. I see no reason why they cannot become economical but do not claim much insight into the future. I do suspect the future supply of oil and it's price will eventually force the move away from ICE powered vehicles. What year that will happen I do not want to speculate about.
vtsnowedin wrote:Grasping at straws are we tonight? While people are lazy it takes no more time to plug in a EV charger then it does to run your debit card through the gas pump and start pumping gas. The charge time is longer but you don't have to stand there and watch it. As to cobalt and lithium there is certainly a finite amount available but as elements they are not degraded by use so can be recycled. I'm sure the industry will deal with whatever supply problems become apparent in the future most probably by developing alternate electrolytes.
One thing I am sure of is that your pessimistic attitude about EV development will not make one car difference in the total numbers of EVs built and sold.
sparky wrote:.
electrical vehicle are a miserable option
imagine a big week-end , the electric family car with the brats at the back
just got out of the city heavy traffic on the way to the beach
need to refill ,stop at the station on the motorway
89 cars in front of you , each taking half an hour
the brats are going AWOL ,
the wife blame you for your stupidity and hitch a ride with a gold toothed sleazebag driving an hybrid
sparky wrote:.
electrical vehicle are a miserable option .... the electric family car with the brats at the back
sparky wrote:.
electrical vehicle are a miserable option
imagine a big week-end , the electric family car with the brats at the back
just got out of the city heavy traffic on the way to the beach
need to refill ,stop at the station on the motorway
89 cars in front of you , each taking half an hour
the brats are going AWOL ,
the wife blame you for your stupidity and hitch a ride with a gold toothed sleazebag driving an hybrid
Armageddon wrote:You’re living in a dream world
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