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UN goes Davos, WEFacism........

Unread postby Whitefang » Fri 01 Jan 2021, 04:56:04

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3Jrc2ojV4atS/

In the first half I prove that "Build Back Better" & The Great Reset is one fascist plan for total control of the world. I show you exactly where it comes from. Next, I get into why people who know about it are fighting against it. Finally I end with some hope!! We're going to beat these people, but first we have to cut through the media lies.


Proof at 4.04, Canada with Trudeau on top is willing to help.
5.10 Great reset covid 19 by Klaus S. and his lovely wife.
6.40 Pakistan is in.....built back better.......

The terrorists are finally out in the open, ready to be sniped down by our special forces working with local law enforcement and national guard.
The future we want.........hostage script.
Who is telling them what they say?
Strategic agreement, worldwide coup june 2019.

These people are prepping for the death of the arctic sea ice, they are securing water, food and the rest.
The child consuming party elite who own everything, their helpers such as technocrats/armies/spies etc and the people who are fit enough to be used as cattle, donating organs, children, slavework.
We are living Soylent Green.
Elderly are expired, no reason to let them be, no profit, no value for them.

We in Brabant, The Netherlands, were not aloud to do fireworks, 95 euro fine.
We gave them the finger.
Free men do not ask permission.
This is the month we will see if the good guys and girls can make a fist and knock out deepstate.
They will try to regroup Eurasia after America is free of the CCPP.
World is watching.............
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CCPP

Unread postby Whitefang » Fri 01 Jan 2021, 07:01:02

World is watching.............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

The Georgia Guidestones are a granite monument erected in 1980 in Elbert County, Georgia, in the United States. A set of ten guidelines is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient language scripts.

The monument stands at an approximate elevation of 750 feet (230 m) above sea level, about 90 miles (140 km) east of Atlanta, 45 miles (72 km) from Athens, Georgia and 9 miles (14 km) north of the center of the city of Elberton.

One slab stands in the center, with four arranged around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the guidestones. The structure is sometimes referred to as an "American Stonehenge".[1] The monument is 19 feet 3 inches (5.87 m) tall, made from six granite slabs weighing 237,746 pounds (107,840 kg) in all.[2] The anonymity of the guidestones' authors and their apparent advocacy of population control, eugenics, and internationalism have made them an object of controversy and conspiracy theories.


Aim is under half a billion people worldwide.

Look at how livemint.com is selling the reset.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/202 ... 86445.html

The pandemic has reminded us that we cannot aim solely for higher GDP and profits, on the assumption that maximizing these indicators automatically redounds to the benefit of society.
A renewed focus on public health, net-zero pledges and the arrival of Stakeholder Capitalism Metrics will ensure that 2021 will be a new 'Year Zero’.

The year ahead could be a historic one—and in a positive way. Seventy-five years after the original “Year Zero" that followed World War II, we once again have a chance to rebuild. The process after 1945 was literal: building anew from the wreckage of war. This time, the focus is on the material world but also on so much more. We must aim for a higher degree of societal sophistication and create a sound basis for the well-being of all people and the planet.

After WWII, we developed a new economic philosophy grounded in collaboration and integration, with material well-being as its primary objective. This project gave rise to international organizations such as the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, as well as the arrangements that would evolve into the World Trade Organization and the European Union.


The CCPP, then lead by local ring leaders such as Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini/Mao/empire/royalty went underground after WW2, infiltrated all religions/global institutions and now preparing their final attack on humanity.
One ring to rule them all.

Klaus S. is a fine example of the tools/soldiers they use.
They love slavery, rituals and symbols.
They are occult
They think they know and have control.
They can say the devil made me do it, dark forces guiding them.
No excuse, always a choice to go for light, the heart, the better way to spend you're time and energy on Earth.
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Re: CCPP

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 01 Jan 2021, 11:28:37

Whitefang wrote:The CCPP, then lead by local ring leaders such as Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini/Mao/empire/royalty went underground after WW2, infiltrated all religions/global institutions and now preparing their final attack on humanity.
One ring to rule them all.

Klaus S. is a fine example of the tools/soldiers they use.
They love slavery, rituals and symbols.
They are occult
They think they know and have control.
They can say the devil made me do it, dark forces guiding them.
No excuse, always a choice to go for light, the heart, the better way to spend you're time and energy on Earth.

It's not at all credible to shriek doom brought about by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. because of a recognition that things like resource and pandemic planning could be done a lot better and are certainly worthy goals.

Just like it's not credible to pretend that wearing a face mask in public during a global pandemic is a major affront to one's freedom -- in a world full of traffic laws, property laws, taxes, and on and on.

But do bray hysterically on about such things. It's what the fast crash doomer types do, after all.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby REAL Green » Mon 04 Jan 2021, 10:13:08

A critical week is ahead and this points to paths going in different directions. Both paths are leading to decline but differ in how the process will unfold.

“Giving Up the Ghost”
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation ... the-ghost/

Things are shaking loose. Secrets are flying out of black boxes. Shots have been fired. The center is not holding because the center is no longer there, only a black hole where the center used to be, and, within it, the shriekings of lost souls. Will the United States go missing this week, or fight its way out of the chaos and darkness? Whatever occurs in this strange week of confrontation, Joe Biden will not be leading any part of it. Where has he been since Christmas? Back to hiding in the basement? Did the American people elect a ghost? Even if this storm blows over, could Joe Biden possibly claim any legitimacy in the Oval Office? And then what happens with the rest of the story — which is an epic economic convulsion sharper than the Great Depression — as time is unsuspended and the year 2021 actually unspools? Only the bare outlines of this week’s fateful game are visible. Mr. Trump has not conceded the election. An action will play out in congress under rarely-used constitutional rules as to how the electoral college votes are awarded to whom. The rancor around this action is already epic. Few of the political players are beyond suspicion of dark deals and shifty allegiances. Persistent rumor has the president laying out a royal flush of deadly information about his antagonists, enough to make heads explode among the formerly cocksure and vaporize the narrative they’ve been running for four years. A whole lot of people are converging in the nation’s capital at midweek, maybe even the touted million. It is a moment, possibly, not unlike the Bastille in Paris, 1789. They will be clamoring right outside Congress as the electoral vote ceremony proceeds. If the battle is not joined in the chamber, it’s a little hard to believe the crowd will just heave a million sighs, trudge back to their cars, and drive quietly home. Senator Ted Cruz has come up with a pretty sound plan: a ten-day emergency audit of the balloting with an electoral commission consisting of five Senators, five House Members, and five Supreme Court Justices — to consider and resolve the disputed returns. The proposal is based on the 1877 procedure for resolving the contested Hayes-Tilden election. “Once completed, individual states would evaluate the Commission’s findings and could convene a special legislative session to certify a change in their vote, if needed,” the proposal stated. Naturally, the Democratic Party’s news media handmaidens denounced it as “embarrassing” — which raises the question: who exactly will be embarrassed if the plan goes ahead? On Sunday, Mr. Trump had a telephone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, ostensibly to discuss efforts made by his office to authenticate the validity of the Nov. 3rd balloting in that state. This is being portrayed by The WashPo, The New York Times, and the rest of the gang as a virtual replay of the Ukraine phone call that eventuated in the 2019 impeachment. Consider that the notorious Ukraine phone call was an attempt to inquire about the influence-peddling of Hunter Biden at the time when his father was vice-president. Does anyone doubt now, a year-and-a-half later, with the release of Hunter B’s laptop evidence, that there was some legitimate concern there? Might anyone suspect that there is also some genuine concern about the Georgia balloting — and Mr. Raffensperger’s failure to audit the vote? Did Mr. Raffensperger stupidly walk into a trap in that phone call? I doubt that the call was casual or impulsive on the president’s part. What I wonder, given the eerie silence at Joe Biden’s end of things, is whether there is some negotiation underway for Mr. Biden to concede the election before events move forward into official inquiries. I wouldn’t be hugely surprised if that is the case. A US election has never concluded under such an enormous cloud, and with such a show of weakness by the putative winner. Joe Biden is but a ghost in the machine, and the machine is infernally corrupt, and now just about everybody knows it, including the figures fighting so hard to pretend that it isn’t so. Something like a war is underway both within the USA and from without. Mr. Trump is a war president and he’s not shirking his duty. War goes where it will and a genuine leader goes out to meet it where it comes.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby aadbrd » Mon 04 Jan 2021, 14:42:28

Is there something peak-oil related in Mr. Kunstler's goose-stepping and sieg heil shilling for Donald Trump's ascent into dictatorship that I missed? I'm scratching my head looking for a connection.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 04 Jan 2021, 18:58:09

aadbrd wrote: Mr. Kunstler's goose-stepping and sieg heil ....


Bzzzt!

You've just violated Godwin's Law of the internet.

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Mr. Kunstler is certainly not above criticism but its impossible to intelligently discuss Mr. Kunstler's views or much of anything else after the conversation veers into inappropriate comparisons to the Nazis.

I'm curious what your criticism of Mr. Kunstler actually is....would you be so kind as to restate your point in a less hyperbolic way?

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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby REAL Green » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 06:46:59

It is my opinion the decline process will proceed by whatever system. The reason is systematic and this time in human civilization decline includes the ultimate brick wall of global limits not just regional limits. Regional limits still allow the growth of new civilizations elsewhere. This is likely a process of steps down with complexity and with some regions declining quicker than others.

I mention this article because the west is on the cusp of a reset to a political economic system more like the Chinese. Essentially in the west this means corporate socialism with monopolies and Chinese system of social control. Whether this mitigates the decline process more or less is yet to be determined. Current events in the US show the battle is on between corporate socialism and populist capitalism. This is why this election fraud is so critical to both sides and why the deep state wants Trump out so much. The typical liberal is buying all this in the guise of pandemic response, global warming, and wokism. The typical Magna fan is buying the opposition of social control and economic socialism. In Europe the process is already accelerated with the EU. In China the process is even further along although they started from the other side and introduced the corporate monopolies into their socialism. It is a very interesting look at our collective future.

“The Great Reset, Part III: Capitalism With Chinese Characteristics”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... cteristics

“The contemporary variant is corporate socialism, or a two-tiered system of “actually existing socialism” on the ground, coupled with a parallel set of corporate monopolies or would-be monopolies on top. The difference between state socialism and corporate socialism is merely that a different constituency effectively controls the means of production. But both depend on monopoly—one the state and the other the corporate monopolization of the economy. And both depend on socialist-communist ideology of democratic socialism, or, in a recent variant, “social justice” or “woke” ideology. Corporate socialism is the desired end, while democratic socialism and woke capitalism are among the means. China is the model for the economic and political system being promoted in the West, and the Great Reset is the most forthright articulation of that system - although its articulation is anything but perfectly forthright. The Great Reset represents the development of the Chinese system in the West, only in reverse. Whereas the Chinese political elite began with a socialist-communist political system and implemented “capitalism” later, the elite in the West began with “capitalism” and is aiming to implement a socialist-communist political system now. It’s as if the Western oligarchy looked to the “socialism” on display in China, and said, “yes, we want it.” This explains many otherwise seeming contradictions, not the least of which is the leftist authoritarianism of Big Tech. Big Tech, and in particular Big Digital, is the ideological communications apparatus for the advancement of corporate socialism, or capitalism with Chinese characteristics. The Chinese characteristics that the Great Reset aims to reproduce in connection with Western capitalism would resemble the totalitarianism of the CCP. It would require a great abridgement of individual rights—including property rights, free expression, freedom of movement, freedom of association, freedom of religion, and the free enterprise system as we understand it. The Great Reset would implement the political system in much the same way as China has done—with 5G-enabled smart city surveillance, the equivalent of social credit scores, medical passports, political imprisonment, and other means of social and political repression and control. In the end, socialism with Chinese characteristics and capitalism with Chinese characteristics would amount to the same thing.”
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 13:02:53

Every Human civilization we know anything about from archeology and written records of earlier times has gone through the same cycle. It is born, matures, ages and declines only to be replaced by something else. Sometimes the gap between decline and birth of a new cycle is short, other times it is a substantial "dark age" before the new birth takes place. It also matters what you consider a "mature" stage. For example when the Western Roman Empire fell in the 400's AD things were fairly rough and lawless between settled towns for a long time. People only traveled from town or city to another location in large caravans or they risked being slaughtered or enslaved by "bandits" who controlled the land between the defensive settlements. This situation remained relatively constant in most of Europe for over 1,000 years. Yes trade went on between cities and so on but Pirates at sea and brigands on land made travel a very dangerous business until the 17th to 19th century depending on location. Barbary pirates were a real threat until around 1840 when the various European powers invaded their bases in North Africa and supplanted them.

On the other hand in places where the declining civilization is replaced by a younger more vibrant civilization like China or Japan the "dark age" is short or entirely absent. In most of these cases the bureaucracy operating the levers of power gets too large and cumbersome and is overthrown by an nominally outside power which then eliminates the old bureaucrats and starts building their own government structures to replace it. In the cases of monarchies and empires where the head of state directly benefits from having a lean government so more of the state wealth flows to their direct control the bureaucracy is kept strictly functional. In states where the head is not directly benefited from having a small government the number of "feeders at the Government Trough" balloons over time until the whole mess is so unwieldy only an expert can navigate it.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby diemos » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 14:36:39

Plantagenet wrote:I'm curious what your criticism of Mr. Kunstler actually is....would you be so kind as to restate your point in a less hyperbolic way?


He was entertaining as a architecture critic.

Since the pandemic started he's gone down the path of yearning for a caudillo to bust heads and fix things. Pity that always ends badly.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 16:24:05

Tanada,

What is interesting about tuis time is that we are working towards a single unified and bloated world government. See the Great Reset.

What happens when the one government toes down and there is no replacement. Your explanation suggest a long dark period to follow. No?
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Ibon » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 19:09:00

What if the events of 2020 is the new normal? This interesting combination of events external of human agency and events of human agency and how they mirror and reinforce each other.

You add more heat to the biosphere and the storms are larger and the droughts drier and the fires hotter and hurricanes more deadly.
The culture seems to mirror the volatility in the way the divisions are more heated, more intolerance, unstable.

In the beginning anyway. If we are on the cusp of decline the current generation experiencing this and having known opulence and relative stability will be the most poorly adapted. The most reactionary. The most panicked. The most vulnerable to demagogues stoking the heat.

The generations to follow born into decline and increased volatility will adapt much better.

If we are indeed on the cusp of decline. I do not equate less energy with decline. There are marvelous gains in quality of life with a less hysterical chasing of empty consumption and imprisoned in debt. SO much of what is wonderful about this life is free; friends, families, bird watching, star gazing, dancing, pit fires with song.

How long has it been since you have really hummed with mother nature and hit that base line where you feel really integrated in the natural world?

Or have some of you never even experienced this. Or is it a memory of childhood with friends fishing in a pond or building a tree cabin or collecting black raspberries in a 5 gallon coffee can.... far far away from any digital poisons. All of these things are still there, it is we who have left them behind for the brave new digital world of shit.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 19:23:06

I think the 70 years of prosperity the US has achieved has been generous, now it's time for the decline. The virus was unexpected and it's the first wave to hit us but more waves are coming...
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 19:35:50

diemos wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:I'm curious what your criticism of Mr. Kunstler actually is....would you be so kind as to restate your point in a less hyperbolic way?


He was entertaining as a architecture critic.

Since the pandemic started he's gone down the path of yearning for a caudillo to bust heads and fix things.


Mr. Kunstler has a been a social critic, author, and public intellectual for decades now. He has also been a backer of the "peak oil" concept. He's written millions of words...his views are no secret and I can't see anything in his writings to supports what you are saying.

In addition to reading Mr. Kunstler's columns I also subscribe to his monthly podcast. I've never heard him mention a "caudillo" or call for the imaginary "caudillo" to bust heads as you claim.

Mr. Kunstler's political philosophy, it seems to me, is the exact opposite of what you claim.

For instance, Kunstler's "made by hand" sci-fi books are all about setting up self-sufficient local communities. There isn't a word anywhere in those books that supports your claims that Mr. Kunstler yearns for a caudillo.

Perhaps I've missed some darker threads in Mr. Kunstler's philosophy. Do you have any direct quotes of Mr. Kunstler "yearning for a caudillo" or calling for violet political repression in the streets?

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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby diemos » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 19:56:55

Like I said. Since the pandemic his writings have changed. They would get posted to the front page of this site so I'm not going to go looking for links for you.

"Caudillo" is my phrasing, of course, not a quote but that's the essence. That idea is seen throughout the Qanon conspiracy theorist world where Trump is viewed as the messiah sent by God to save us from the adrenochrome harvesting, baby blood drinking, democrats and hollywood elite. Where he's going to overthrow the "Deep State", otherwise known as our republic, and install himself as dictator.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 05 Jan 2021, 20:04:24

diemos wrote:Like I said. Since the pandemic his writings have changed. They would get posted to the front page of this site so I'm not going to go looking for links for you.


So you don't have any quotes from Mr. Kunstler to back up your claims about Mr. Kunstler.

Thats OK.

Thank you for replying so quickly.

Have a nice day.

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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Pops » Wed 06 Jan 2021, 09:27:59

I like the words opulence, and cadillo, evocative for this time.

Gillian Welch has a song called Everything is Free Now on her Time-The Revelator album, it's about making a living writing songs (or not) in the Napster era. You can listen to it free on youtube or pay her for it on her webstore. I really dig Welch's sound, gritty and old, Everything is Free captures a gut level angst about the future of work (singing is work) in the digital, global, A.I. era.

Not long ago, 1994, I started doing print graphics on a computer. I'd been involved in printing and design and marketing for years before and the price of chips was only then coming down into my range. Back then designers kind of sketched and sold an idea, layout people then put together final physical art, pre-press people did a bunch of hand work with galley cameras, film, etc. Finally whatever it was hit the press. On small jobs the setup could be 2 or 3 times the cost of the actual printing and the designer was, many times, a diva. A little pamphlet cold easily be a couple of grand or more and take weeks and months.

Because I could eliminate all those intermediate steps (and careers) with a click on my mouse and do stuff just about impossible in the analog process and deliver in a fraction of the time, I could easily underbid the traditional folks and still make a couple hundred an hour.

Today there is Fiver. Freelance sites put what I do up for bid to a global market. There are lots of talented folks in the world and a good number who are happy to make $2 an hour. Karma is a Diva too, LOL

Anyway, I started to say that opulence is our challenge at the moment because things are increasingly free or nearly, crime is lower than it's been in most folks lifetime, no widespread war, low poverty, and at the same time we're told about American Carnage hourly and urged by A.I. to "engage" with the things that push our buttons. I can't imagine my folks having enough time on their hands to get into twitter battles, retweet conspiracy memes let alone march to do away with democracy— or make 20k posts on a PO site for that matter.

Not that I yearn for a difficult life, but I fear we don't know what to do with ourselves already and will have less idea as more of us become redundant, Idle Hands and all that.

My folks were dirt poor at points in their lives but would literally give a stranger their last dollar. They likely had many old time attitudes about morality, race, public displays, etc but I can't tell you what they were, I never heard them talk trash about any social, political, racial group. Today I see inlaws regularly disavow each other over a meme whose subject neither have any actual experience with and is never going to touch their real life.

I'd like to think there is a place where we all wake up to appreciate the opulence of our built world, the rights of our brothers and sisters, and work to preserve the remains of the natural world...

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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 06 Jan 2021, 10:08:53

Pops wrote:Not long ago, 1994, I started doing print graphics on a computer. I'd been involved in printing and design and marketing for years before and the price of chips was only then coming down into my range. Back then designers kind of sketched and sold an idea, layout people then put together final physical art, pre-press people did a bunch of hand work with galley cameras, film, etc. Finally whatever it was hit the press. On small jobs the setup could be 2 or 3 times the cost of the actual printing and the designer was, many times, a diva. A little pamphlet cold easily be a couple of grand or more and take weeks and months.


Pops I hate to have to be the one to break this to you. 1994 was 27 years ago. As I sit here typing this nearly half the 7,700,000,000 humans more or less alive are 26.4 or younger. As of UN statistics the median age of a human alive today is YOUNGER than the time you have spent on just this career path. I would say almost none of those people can even relate to what the computer or graphics worlds were like in 1994 let alone what they were like in 1985 when the climate passed the 350 ppmv CO2 tipping point.
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby Pops » Wed 06 Jan 2021, 11:15:59

Tanada wrote:
Pops wrote:Not long ago, 1994, I started doing print graphics on a computer. I'd been involved in printing and design and marketing for years before and the price of chips was only then coming down into my range. Back then designers kind of sketched and sold an idea, layout people then put together final physical art, pre-press people did a bunch of hand work with galley cameras, film, etc. Finally whatever it was hit the press. On small jobs the setup could be 2 or 3 times the cost of the actual printing and the designer was, many times, a diva. A little pamphlet cold easily be a couple of grand or more and take weeks and months.


Pops I hate to have to be the one to break this to you. 1994 was 27 years ago. As I sit here typing this nearly half the 7,700,000,000 humans more or less alive are 26.4 or younger. As of UN statistics the median age of a human alive today is YOUNGER than the time you have spent on just this career path. I would say almost none of those people can even relate to what the computer or graphics worlds were like in 1994 let alone what they were like in 1985 when the climate passed the 350 ppmv CO2 tipping point.


I know! LOL

Actually I was trying to infer that as the rate of change increases, it makes life both more opulent and more volatile, unfamiliar, scary; and that makes the cadillo more attractive.

Photolithography was developed (snort) in the early 1800s. Digital typesetters and laser scanners and compositing hardware and software were implemented from 1985-90 and pretty well universal in publishing by '95-00. Adobe Photoshop and affordable desktop computing became viable for even single desk jockeys in the mid 90's. By 2000 most of the old skills and jobs had gone the way of the buggywhip. So 150-60 years of trade out the window in 10-15.

But the importance of digital publishing didn't even last 15 years. The advent of ubiquitous "device" screens has made print publishing as foreign to most folks as Life magazine. Custom photography, illustration, design, copywriting —and songwriting—are all now subject to the same globalized devaluation as sewing t-shirts — sometimes even with no middleman needed.

Frankly Etsy, Fiver and the gig economy is what I thought the internet would lead to way back in the 90s. I used the example of a person making cedar clogs in Eureka CA who wasn't viable because the market was too small. But with the internet he could be successful because the market was the whole world. I discounted capitalism's tendency to monopolization and the imbalance of labor markets and the unevenness of environmental and labor rules but... I still think that time is coming. I think a "New Luddism", small family crafters weaving stockings in the living room can return—I guess that's for an optimism thread tho, LOL


But I laugh and cry a bit at the new "reset" conspiracy. Poor monkeys trying to make sense of the world they see on the propaganda channel. They know the ground is shifting under their feet and throw poop at whatever the talking head tells them to hate. The one thing I wish is that people would change the channel, go to the silo window once in a while and listen to the wind. America won't be great again, not like Mayberry RFD, not unless the rest of the world burns itself down again. But this is a great chance, for a while yet, to make it something new and greater for everyone before it's too late

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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby ralfy » Thu 07 Jan 2021, 21:57:44

aadbrd wrote:Is there something peak-oil related in Mr. Kunstler's goose-stepping and sieg heil shilling for Donald Trump's ascent into dictatorship that I missed? I'm scratching my head looking for a connection.


The U.S. economy is controlled by the rich, which in turn has been influencing both parties to promote neo-conservatism and neo-liberalism for its benefit, with created credit trickling down to consumers, and leading to an economy that's driven by heavy borrowing and spending:

http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/ ... s-of-debt/

and a country which has only around 5 pct of the world's population but has around a quarter of the world's sedans and light trucks (among others), and together with other resources must consume up to a fifth of world oil production to maintain its dreams.

Some probably believe that an authoritarian would at least be able to answer back and curtail some of these excesses, which is why they thought of Trump as different from Reagan clones like Biden, Obama, and Bush, never mind the point that Trump is rich, gained from provisions that benefited the rich from his, Obama's, and Bush's administration, and had to work with the same swamp, which consists of both parties and government officials working across several admins to benefit the rich.

And all of that is connected to peak oil because the phenomenon, as part of limits to growth and driven by the fact that the biosphere is limited, will take place regardless of what type of political leaders are elected, because at some point consumption will obviously be curtailed.

Which is part of a "doomer outlook."
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Re: the Doomer outlook

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 07 Jan 2021, 22:31:54

ralfy wrote:
aadbrd wrote:Is there something peak-oil related in Mr. Kunstler's goose-stepping and sieg heil shilling for Donald Trump's ascent into dictatorship that I missed? I'm scratching my head looking for a connection.


The U.S. economy is controlled by the rich, which in turn has been influencing both parties to promote neo-conservatism and neo-liberalism for its benefit, with created credit trickling down to consumers, and leading to an economy that's driven by heavy borrowing and spending:

http://blogs.reuters.com/rolfe-winkler/ ... s-of-debt/

and a country which has only around 5 pct of the world's population but has around a quarter of the world's sedans and light trucks (among others), and together with other resources must consume up to a fifth of world oil production to maintain its dreams.

Some probably believe that an authoritarian would at least be able to answer back and curtail some of these excesses, which is why they thought of Trump as different from Reagan clones like Biden, Obama, and Bush, never mind the point that Trump is rich, gained from provisions that benefited the rich from his, Obama's, and Bush's administration, and had to work with the same swamp, which consists of both parties and government officials working across several admins to benefit the rich.

And all of that is connected to peak oil because the phenomenon, as part of limits to growth and driven by the fact that the biosphere is limited, will take place regardless of what type of political leaders are elected, because at some point consumption will obviously be curtailed.

Which is part of a "doomer outlook."


Stop making so much sense, Ralfy! It's depressing!
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