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Re: Airlines May Start Treating Passengers `Like Freight'

Unread postby Nookster » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 18:59:03

A big problem I see with it is that it throws a monkey wrench into getting tickets online, etc.

It's really gotten to the point with all the Nazi homeland security crap, that flying is more of a hassle than it's worth anyway.
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Re: Airlines May Start Treating Passengers `Like Freight'

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 19:23:30

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"Since we were a family of four, we didn't board and two single passengers did instead. Rather that wait until evening for the next flight we rented a car and drove the 160 miles. "

Why did you not just take an intercity commuter train or even an intercity express bus flying that short 160 mile distance is a real waste of fuel. The flight should not exist its too short.


We always fly standby meaning we fill seats that would have otherwise been empty. So, with five people in the car, the per capita fuel use for the one way ride was minimal.

And if we had driven that route today instead of last June it would have been about a dollar and a half each in fuel in an economy car. Getting from SEATAC to the train depot alone would have cost 10 times that in taxi fare alone.

These short hop flights days are definitely numbered, and I won't cry when they're gone.
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Re: Airlines May Start Treating Passengers `Like Freight'

Unread postby JJ » Sat 06 Dec 2008, 19:29:34

another thing thats going on is that in order to save money people are carrying on stuff that should be checked. My friend was flying up to S. Dakota a couple of weeks ago (he's doing seismology for Exxon) and he said someone tryed to throw out his laptop (his only carry-on) in order to make room for their suitcase; he was pis%ed.
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Re: Airlines May Start Treating Passengers `Like Freight'

Unread postby lper100km » Sun 07 Dec 2008, 16:18:29

This is only back to the future. Airlines in the 30’s 40’s and early 50’s routinely checked the weight of passengers and their baggage. Of course, aircraft were much smaller then and the all up weight, including the fuel weight was a very important factor, especially on transatlantic routes. Whether it was ever used to deny a seat to a passenger because of ‘overweight’, I have no idea, but obesity also was not such a big issue then either.

A few movies of the era have airport scenes showing the weigh scales at check in.
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Airline considers removing seats, have passengers stand

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 11:42:31

Ryanair is considering proposals to make some of its customers stand during flights.

The low-cost airline would charge passengers less on "bar stools" with seat belts around their waists.
Michael O'Leary, the chief executive, has already held talks with US plane manufacturer Boeing about designing an aircraft with standing room.

He is now seeking approval from the Irish Aviation Authority before ordering a new fleet of carriers, according to The Sun.
A Ryanair spokesman told the newspaper: "If they approve it, we'll be doing it."

Mr O'Leary is reported to have got the idea from the Chinese airline Spring, which has put forward similar plans. It estimates space could be made for up to 50 per cent more passengers and costs could be cut by 20 per cent.

It is not the first time Ryanair has come up with a controversial proposal for cutting costs. Earlier this year Mr O'Leary suggested passengers could be charged £1 to use the on-board lavatories.

In an interview on BBC television he said that the low-cost airline was looking at the possibility of installing a coin slot on the lavatory door so that "people might actually have to spend a pound to spend a penny."

Mr O'Leary also considered introducing a "fat tax" for overweight passengers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/5753477/Ryanair-to-make-passengers-stand.html


There is absolutely NO WAY I could ever just stand / squat on a barstool in-flight, no doubt with another passenger standing / squatting three inches from me. Incredible.
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Re: Airline considers removing seats, have passengers stand

Unread postby Daphne64 » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 12:29:04

When the CEO proposed turning the toilets on his planes into pay toilets, some of his employees noted that he sometimes jokes about that kind of stuff.

This would HAVE to be a joke - I can't imagine regulators allowing it - injuries and deaths would be horrible even in emergency landings.
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Re: Airline considers removing seats, have passengers stand

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 12:33:10

A couple of years ago on another thread http://peakoil.com/post476530.html#p476530 TheDude pointed toward this as the future of air travel.
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Re: Airline considers removing seats, have passengers stand

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 12:42:37

Airlines will eventually pack people in even tighter, and will use chains to keep them from moving around too much

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Re: Airline considers removing seats, have passengers stand

Unread postby Daphne64 » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 13:15:24

Plantagenet wrote:Airlines will eventually pack people in even tighter, and will use chains to keep them from moving around too much


They'll only be able to pull that off if they get influence equal to that of the banks...
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Re: Airline considers removing seats, have passengers stand

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 13:42:57

Sixstrings wrote:
Ryanair is considering proposals to make some of its customers stand during flights.

The low-cost airline would charge passengers less on "bar stools" with seat belts around their waists.
Michael O'Leary, the chief executive, has already held talks with US plane manufacturer Boeing about designing an aircraft with standing room.

He is now seeking approval from the Irish Aviation Authority before ordering a new fleet of carriers, according to The Sun.
A Ryanair spokesman told the newspaper: "If they approve it, we'll be doing it."
There is absolutely NO WAY I could ever just stand / squat on a barstool in-flight, no doubt with another passenger standing / squatting three inches from me. Incredible.

That´s hilarious :lol: they want to charge you for the toilette, won´t allow checked luggage and now want to make you travel standing up! You get better service in a rag-tag bus in any third world country. Ryanair should close down for good with some dignity and go to grow potatoes ot something.
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This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby stonecypher » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 20:13:36

Posting this in the "Population and Carrying Capacity" Forum because Ryanair wants to fly passengers "standing room only." On bar stools with seatbelts.

"Carrying Capacity" indeed! Why not put slings with seatbelts on the ceiling, too? 8O

As if flying anywhere on any airline today isn't enough of a nightmare as it is. :x

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530 ... latestnews
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 20:20:03

On short flights why not? Nothing shocking about it. No luggage, just a 60 or 80 kg body ... it's just smart business. Surprised others aren't doing this.

In fact, on flights of less than, say, 90 minutes, why not simply stack and strap the skinny ones down in the aisles?


stonecypher wrote:Posting this in the "Population and Carrying Capacity" Forum because Ryanair wants to fly passengers "standing room only." On bar stools with seatbelts.

"Carrying Capacity" indeed! Why not put slings with seatbelts on the ceiling, too? 8O

As if flying anywhere on any airline today isn't enough of a nightmare as it is. :x

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530 ... latestnews
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 20:23:29

Not only that, they want to abolish checked luggage:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601113&sid=ad_1t6Mslq4M
and of course want to charge you to use the toilette, and with a a credit card rather than a coin slot on the door!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/05/ryanair-toilet-charge
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby Schmuto » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 20:46:55

I'll be able to tell my kids about the good old days when jet fuel was so cheap I was on several flights to Florida that had 4 adjacent seats empty and so I layed down.

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Re: Airline considers removing seats, have passengers stand

Unread postby lowem » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 21:25:59

Daphne64 wrote:They'll only be able to pull that off if they get influence equal to that of the banks...


You mean, like when they start getting government bailout money?
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby RonMN » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 21:31:14

...Those were the days :)
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 06 Jul 2009, 23:51:10

ryanair is a real airline? Not a Onion made up company?
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby Daphne64 » Tue 07 Jul 2009, 00:11:16

Yes, Ryanair is a real airline, but it's CEO is a joker. Just imagine the injuries incurred on regular takeoff - maybe 5% fall backwards off their stools, 1% get injured, 0.1% get spinal injuries - on every flight.

yeah, right.
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby lowem » Tue 07 Jul 2009, 00:54:40

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Won't be long before the airlines start employing these Japan train pushers.
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Re: This Is A Joke, Right?

Unread postby Micki » Tue 07 Jul 2009, 00:58:38

Yeah, the owners likes a bit of controversy.
Last year they ran a campaign called "beds and blowjobs".
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php ... -en-200608
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