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THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby lpetrich » Mon 28 Oct 2019, 00:51:06

How AOC turned boring congressional hearings into electrifying moments | Poppy Noor | US news | The Guardian
Starting off with her questioning of Mike Zuckerberg, like his curious ignorance about the Cambridge Analytica data-breach scandal.

Continuing with:
1. ExxonMobil - "they knew"
2. White terrorism - double standard
3. Corporate Pac money - showing how corrupt one can be
4. Green New Deal - some righteous fury - “You want to tell people that their desire for clean air and water is elitist? … I don’t think so.”
I'd add her questioning of Michael Cohen.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby lpetrich » Mon 28 Oct 2019, 02:25:22

Some years back, the Tea Party turned "primary" into a verb from its efforts to defeat other Republicans in election primaries. Now the Democrats are doing it.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the most spectacular example, having defeated a 10-term incumbent in 2018, but there are several others, and several more efforts to have similar successes. Her success has led to several others being compared to her.

Ballotpedia ("the Encyclopedia of American Politics") has lots of details.

  • Ro Khanna (D-CA) beat 8-term incumbent Mike Honda in 2016
  • Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) won in 2016
  • AOC (D-NY) beat 10-term incumbent Joe Crowley in 2018
  • Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) beat 10-term incumbent Michael Capuano in 2018
  • Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) won in 2018
  • Ilhan Omar (D-MN) won in 2018
  • Lauren Underwood (D-IL) won in 2018
  • Deb Haaland (D-NM) won in 2018
  • Sharice Davids (D-KS) beat 4-term incumbent Kevin Yoder in 2018
Earlier this year, the documentary "Knock Down the House" was released, chronicling the efforts of AOC and three other women in their runs for public office:
  • Cori Bush failed to beat 9-term incumbent William Lacy Clay (D-MO) in 2018, getting 37% of the vote
  • Paula Swearengin failed to beat 4-term incumbent Joe Manchin III (D-WV) in 2018, getting 30% of the vote
  • Amy Vilela failed to win the primary in 2018, getting 9% of the vote
Cori Bush and Paula Swearengin will be trying again in 2020, and Amy Vilela is campaigning for Bernie Sanders instead, though she may try again in 2022.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby lpetrich » Mon 28 Oct 2019, 08:17:22

Some of the races:
  • Marie Newman is challenging 8-term incumbent Dan Lipinski (D-IL)
  • Jessica Cisneros is challenging 8-term incumbent Henry Cuellar (D-TX)
  • Melanie D'Arrigo is challenging 2-term incumbent Tom Suozzi (D-NY)
  • Alex Morse is challenging 16-term incumbent Richard Neal (D-MA)
  • Mckayla Wilkes and Briana Urbana are challenging 20-term incumbent Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
  • Agatha Bacelar, Shahid Buttar, and Tom Gallagher are challenging 17-term incumbent Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)

Marie Newman had ran in 2018, but she barely lost to Dan Lipinski. This time at least, she has lots of endorsements - Endorsements - Marie Newman for Congress - and she may make it this time.

Despite her prominence, AOC has been cautious in choosing which fellow Democrats to challenge, selecting only those who seem much too conservative for mainly-Democratic districts: Dan Lipinski and Henry Cuellar. Even for the latter one, she was cautious, endorsing Jessica Cisneros only after EMILY's List did so.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 28 Oct 2019, 13:32:29

lpetrich wrote:4. Green New Deal - some righteous fury - “You want to tell people that their desire for clean air and water is elitist? … I don’t think so.”

Take ALL the BS in the green new deal about liberal talking points having nothing to do with green energy, and then get back to us. It may not be "elitist", but with all that other crap in it, it sure as hell isn't genuine.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 28 Oct 2019, 20:12:59

How the Ds cope with the homeless problem in NYC

nyc-secretly-shipping-homeless-people-over-350-cities-including-honolulu-houston

Yup...they just secretly buy them a plane or bus ticket to somewhere else, give them some cash and say....bye bye! They literally disappear them. And it doesn't even work..... New York has shipped thousands and thousands of people to other cities and there are still more homeless people in NYC now then there ever have been. Sheesh!

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 05 Nov 2019, 07:44:38

Here is a commentator postulating that Obama would not get the nomination today, he is not “woke” or “left” enough.

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/11/04/b ... ke-enough/
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 05 Nov 2019, 08:56:15

Waiting for paint to dry, cake across this.

Jessie Ventura wins Minnesota Governors race.

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/05/us/t ... upset.html

Maybe we need Jessie once again. DRAFT JESSIE!

He was described as a “radical centrist.”


Radical centrism (also called the radical center/centre or radical middle) is a political ideology that arose in the Western nations in the late 20th century. At first it was defined in a variety of ways, but at the beginning of the 21st century a number of political science texts gave it a more developed cast.[1][2]

The radical in the term refers to a willingness on the part of most radical centrists to call for fundamental reform of institutions.[3] The centrism refers to a belief that genuine solutions require realism and pragmatism, not just idealism and emotion.[4] One radical centrist text defines radical centrism as "idealism without illusions",[5] a phrase originally from John F. Kennedy.[6]

Radical centrists typically borrow ideas from the left, the right, and elsewhere, often melding them together.[1] Most support market-based solutions to social problems with strong governmental oversight in the public interest.[7] There is support for increased global engagement and the growth of an empowered middle class in developing countries.[8] Many radical centrists work within the major political parties, but also support independent or third-party initiatives and candidacies.[9]
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 06 Nov 2019, 09:45:52

Warren has a bit in the Guardian slamming Trump for pulling out of the Paris Accords, for being a climate denialist.

But then goes on to promote her $2 trillion dollar Green Manufacturing Plan and a Green Marshall Plan of unspecified value.

In my book this make me her a bigger problem than Trump. She puppets to know how to fix CC, and it’s through growing the economy. That is capitalist nonsense, shows no true understanding of our dilemma. She is leading folks down a rosy path, lying.


My Green Manufacturing Plan will jumpstart clean energy development right here in the United States by investing $2tn to grow clean energy at home and abroad, while creating millions of new, good paying, union jobs. And my Green Marshall Plan would directly assist countries abroad to buy American-made clean energy products, further expanding markets for green manufacturing.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby sparky » Thu 07 Nov 2019, 18:04:27

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This year Australia had a federal election , the Labor party was heading for a sweeping victory
they lost , big time ,

there was a change of leader and a committee was set up to look for the lessons of this crushing loss
it just has been published
this is also applicable to many left of center political parties

the ex leader was characterized as unpopular , the program as expensive and confused
but then some more digging revealed other deeper reasons

"Labor’s once formidable campaign machine collapsed under the weight of its own hubris.
It failed to reconcile its own internal tracking showing a serious problem with its primary vote and that of the published polls suggesting a confident victory.
None of this was communic­ated to Bill Shorten’s team, which was convinced up until polling day that it was headed for a sizeable victory."

as a labor unionist stated in a report after the 204 election disaster
"“There was a time when our unambiguous defense of workers’ jobs and their livelihoods was seen as progressive, admired and respected,” that report said.
“What has changed over this period is the people running the Labor Party machine — the apparatchiks, advisers and politicians —
are no longer attuned to the basic aspirations of honest working men and women but sing
to a completely misguided (and electorally wrong) tune that seeks to appease the unappeasable.

“They place their faith … in the shallow and cheap propaganda of a wealthy, inner-city elite
which has a barely concealed contempt for a bunch of workers from the bush or outer suburbs.”

"the report warns of Labor’s indulgence of identity politics.
“The mobilisation of the Labor Party to address the political grievances of this vast and disparate constituency has accelerated
it has become the natural home for these diverse interests and concerns
including gender equality, the LGBTQI+ community, racial equality and environmentalism.”

at the same time as many people who would have been regarded as traditional Labor voters have looked to Labor for answers to their problems,” it says.
“Working people experiencing the dislocation caused by new technologies and globalisation could lose faith in Labor
if they do not believe Labor is responding to their issues but is focusing on issues not of concern to them or, in some cases, are actively against their interests.

“Care needs to be taken to avoid Labor becoming a grievance-focused organisation.
This approach leads to a culture of moving from one issue to the next, leading to the formulation of myriad policies that respond to a broad range of grievances.

“This dilemma is not limited to the Australian Labor Party but is faced in similar form by left-of-centre parties around the world
… it cannot be resolved simply by choosing one constituency over another. Labor cannot abandon its commitment to social justice
but it must reconnect with low-income voters in the outer suburbs and regions.”

The challenge can be met only if the party admits the problem exists in the first place, the report finds.

At least they didn't blame the Russians :razz:
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 07 Nov 2019, 18:05:50

Michael Bloomberg has people out getting signatures for him so he can get the primary ballot. It looks like Bloomberg is going to enter the D democratic primary race

michael-bloomberg-prepares-enter-presidential-race]

I'm not sure how much appetite there is in the D party for another billionaire running for the D nomination. They've already got billionaire Tom Steyer running in the D primary and now add in Bloomberg for billionaire number 2.

Of course billionaires have a built in advantage because they don't have waste time fundraising from other billionaires. And the MSM is mainly controlled by D billionaires like Bezos at the Washington Post, and the D billionaires who control the media will probably be pretty friendly to the D billionaires running for prez as Ds.

There's even a chance now the Ds will wind up with a Steyer-Bloomberg or a Bloomberg-Steyer ticket to run against Trump. And you know what they say....two D billionaires are better then one R billionaire.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 13 Nov 2019, 21:24:56

Now former Gov Deval Patrick is entering the D presidential race. Patrick, sometimes referred to as obama's "mini-me" is a close friend and political ally of Obama, so it will be interesting to see if he evokes Obama or promises to keep Obamacare as he runs in an attempt to rekindle Obama's magic from 2008 and 2012.

election/former-mass-gov-deval-patrick-announce-presidential-bid

Who knows....maybe Obama will even endorse his old friend Deval. That would be interesting!

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Obama and his "mini-me" Deval Patrick.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Thu 14 Nov 2019, 05:13:13

Amazing the number of clowns you can fit in a car.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 14 Nov 2019, 05:25:54

And we still have almost a year of this ahead of us.

Yesterday I saw some quotes for Hillary that she is thinking of jumping back in.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 14 Nov 2019, 19:15:21

Hillary's too busy claiming everyone is a Russian spy. First she claimed Trump was a Russian spy supported by Russian bots, and now she's saying Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian agent of influence supported by Russian bots and last week Hillary was in the UK and sure enough Hillary said Brexit passed because of Russian spy bots on Facebook.

Personally, I like Pete and Tulsi on the D side. Especially Tulsi.

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Tulsi Gabbard----Does she look like a Russian spy to you?
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby sparky » Thu 14 Nov 2019, 21:25:15

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Hilary also implied that Jill Stein the green candidate was "totally a Russian asset"
the democratic party is spinning rubbish as a political position
it seems logical to think they either are demented or they are secret Trump assets

the betting odds are that Trump will win 2.2 to one , against 4.75 for Warren and 7.00 for Bidden
https://www.oddschecker.com/au/politics ... 020/winner

how can they do it , snatching defeat from the jaws of victory ...Twice
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 17:45:14

The Ds have a big problem. They are doing a great job of smearing Trump, first with the Mueller investigation and now with the Ukraine phone call impeachment investigation, but they still have to beat him in the 2020 election.

And, as Hillary showed in 2016, there are Ds who are so terrible themselves that they can even lose an election to someone as unpopular as Trump.

So who will the Ds nominate who can beat Trump? More and more people are talking about Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend. Pete is YOUNG! Pete is SMART! Pete is sort of leftish and sort of middle of the ROAD! And Pete is GAY!

But Pete has a problem. Pete is rising in the polls and now is pulling ahead in Iowa. Pete's plan is to win in Iowa and then win in New Hampshire. But what happens then? The next state primary is in South Carolina where Pete is doing badly in the polls. And why is Pete doing so badly? Because he has zero support from black Ds. Literally zero.

poll-buttigieg-remains-at-zero-percent-among-black-voters-in-south-carolina

Black Ds make up large percentages of the D party, and black Ds don't like Pete.

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The Ds can't win without mobilizing black Ds to go to the polls, and so far black Ds don't support Pete Buttigieg
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 21 Nov 2019, 09:02:03

Last night watching the debate I was annoyed by the background behind the candidates being in constant motion. It looked like the stars behind them were waving in and out like a wave of vertigo hitting you. Having a drink in my hand didn't help of course. :)
I thought the moderators improved their game quite a bit.
Biden showed how old and mentally frail he has become.Stick a fork in him he is done.
Tome Steyer is both old and a one issue candidate. He can go home any time and no one will miss him. Tulsi Gabbard is also a one song band we are already tired of hearing but I'd keep her around just to look at.
Did you notice Klobuchar visibly trembling as she spoke. Stage fright? Sick? Something wrong there.
I think Yang, Mayor Pete and Harris collectively won the night but which got the biggest share I'll leave up to the Democrats to decide.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 22 Nov 2019, 17:10:20

Both Elizabeth and Joe Biden were confronted by protestors over their racist policies yesterday, and both were left visibly angry and shaken

joseph-biden-elizabeth-warren-protests

Elizabeth Warren was confronted by a large group of black parents protesting her plans to end charter schools and force them to send their kids back to the failing public schools. Warren's racist proposals would still allow wealthy white kids to go to private school but would end vouchers and government payments to poor black families that allow them to attend the same kind of schools.

Joe Biden was confronted by Hispanic protestors protesting his role in the Obama-era immigration programs that put kids in cages and separated families and deported many many people.

This is shaping up to be an interesting election year. Yes the percentage of white voters is down because there are more Hispanic and black voters then every before, but not all blacks and Hispanics automatically support every white candidate just because they are Ds. Candidates like Biden and Warren who are associated with racist policies are being confronted over their blatant racism, and thats a good thing.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 22 Nov 2019, 17:56:03

Plantagenet wrote:Personally, I like Pete and Tulsi on the D side. Especially Tulsi.

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Tulsi Gabbard----Does she look like a Russian spy to you?

Of course, as I thought as soon as I saw the picture, and as confirmed by the link, that's not Tulsi, that's Pamela Lashki, who is paid well for looking good and judging on "Top Chef".

Somehow, picking our POTUS based on looks doesn't seem like the best idea, but then again, tall has worked well for voters for US POTUS for a long time.

If we're going to use silly standards, how about pleasantness of voice? That would get Sanders and Warren thrown out RIGHT AWAY, if they couldn't learn to speak rationally vs. screeching.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 22 Nov 2019, 19:53:48

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
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Tulsi Gabbard----Does she look like a Russian spy to you?

... that's not Tulsi, that's Pamela Lashki, who is paid well for looking good and judging on "Top Chef"....Somehow, picking our POTUS based on looks doesn't seem like the best idea, but then again, tall has worked well for voters for US POTUS for a long time.

If we're going to use silly standards, how about pleasantness of voice? That would get Sanders and Warren thrown out RIGHT AWAY, if they couldn't learn to speak rationally vs. screeching.


There is nothing silly about voting based on your "gut feelings" about someone. As you noted, the tallest candidate usually wins (and Trump is taller then Hillary). Many voters pick the person they would like to have a beer with, and many more vote against the person they don't like rather then voting for someone at all.

Personally, I think Pete Buttigieg is the most interesting and intelligent candidate in the D field.....but the person I'd most like to have a beer with is Tulsi Gabbard.

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