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THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 14:09:12

If you don't pick between the two major parties, you are by consent allowing the progressive Democrats to destroy the country and install their socialist nightmare. Do not blame me for not warning you what is about to unfold here in two short years.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 14:39:27

Well I have Medicare. But since I’m out of the USA 10 months of a year far good it does me.

So we got an expatriot health care, $2million cap for the two of us, $3,500/year. That tells you what health care costs outside the USA. That SHOULD tell you the USA system sucks.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 14:42:14

Cog wrote:Wait, let me get this straight. You moderates are only NOW getting worried about what the radical Democrats have planned for the country?

Being against Trump does not make me a moderate or a liberal.
Telling you what your, total in the tank for Trump, attitude makes you is not permitted by the code of conduct.!
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 14:44:20

Cog wrote:If you don't pick between the two major parties, you are by consent allowing the progressive Democrats to destroy the country and install their socialist nightmare. Do not blame me for not warning you what is about to unfold here in two short years.

Of course. If it's not you're way, it has to be 100% wrong. And never, ever admit that your way just might have some issues. :roll:

Trying to force people to conform to rigid standards is certainly not a right wing, freedom loving principle. Oh, I forgot, the far right wing is only for "freedom" if it's to THEIR standards. Got it.

Nah, I don't want your nightmare OR the socialist nightmare.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 14:53:04

Newfie wrote:Well I have Medicare. But since I’m out of the USA 10 months of a year far good it does me.

So we got an expatriot health care, $2million cap for the two of us, $3,500/year. That tells you what health care costs outside the USA. That SHOULD tell you the USA system sucks.

So assuming your health is decent, then depending on your ages, yeah, that sounds fantastic. Pushing 60, I'm paying nearly $12,000 for just myself, and re ongoing medical expenses -- my health is fantastic. (With me never having come close to hitting the deductible.) My plan doesn't include dental either. My deductible is $2500 a year and my cap is something like 7 million (they raised it for inflation awhile back), but they don't pay nearly what major local providers cost for common things like scans.

The way things are going, I'll be paying $25,000 a year in 2018 dollars by the time I hit Medicare, given that I was paying $3000 annually when I started paying myself 11 years ago.

...

I'd consider a catastrophic plan, but thanks to Obamacare, I can't get a truly high deductible plan anymore, since private plans have to conform to Obamacare norms, no exceptions. Part of that American "freedom" thing. :roll:

I'd consider an Obamacare plan, but I don't trust the incompetence of the government. The software has never worked properly when I've checked things out. People don't answer the phone. The provider networks are simply horrendous. (Our government "at work".)
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 15:55:42

vtsnowedin wrote:
Cog wrote:Wait, let me get this straight. You moderates are only NOW getting worried about what the radical Democrats have planned for the country?

Being against Trump does not make me a moderate or a liberal.
Telling you what your, total in the tank for Trump, attitude makes you is not permitted by the code of conduct.!


Its against the board COC to be totally in the tank for Trump? Show me the relevant section of this board COC where that is prohibited.

But I'm warning you moderates and even you main stream Democrats. The Democrat party is shifting hard left. Now you might think that Cog spends his days watching Fox news 24/7. I spend my news research hours instead watching CNN, reading the Democratic Underground Forum, and am subscribed to the Democratic Socialist of America newsletters.

The reality is that no Democratic nominee will reach the nomination without fully ascribing to the following:

1) Massive increases in taxes
2) Green initiatives that will destroy the fossil fuel industry
3) Free pre-school for all and free college for all
4) Banning guns of all descriptions
5) Free medical care for all
6) Open borders and no immigration enforcement at all

That is a short list, although there are more. If you don't understand the Democratic Party has shifted far left, you haven't been paying attention. If you embrace the list above, by all means vote for the Democratic party. But don't fool yourself moderates that there isn't going to be a stark choice you will have to make.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 16:03:23

So VT, I just checked the Code of Conduct again. I was afraid that they might have added a "You can not be in the tank for Trump" addendum since the last time I read it. Perhaps you could guide me to the appropriate section. Help me out here bro. I'm just a dumb deplorable.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 17:13:05

In 2020 the number of Hispanics in the US will have increased to the point that there will be more Hispanic voters then black voters

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Given the historic voting patterns wherein blacks and Hispanics overwhelmingly tend to vote D, this trend will inevitably benefit the D party in 2020 and the D advantage wil continue tol grow in all future elections.

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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 17:23:27

All part of the plan of the Democrats with open borders and the elimination of ICE.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 17:43:37

The D's take over the helm in their current form I give it 5-10 years, at most, before the great downfall happens. Trump stays in there another 4 years that would push it out to maybe 15-20 years before the great downfall occurs. IMO, the problem is there's too many stupid people that think they're special and they cost too much to support. Their wake up call is coming. Especially those who live in Cali, that will be the first shoe to drop. I give it 1-2 years.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 17:55:54

mmasters wrote:The D's take over the helm in their current form I give it 5-10 years, at most, before the great downfall happens. Trump stays in there another 4 years that would push it out to maybe 15-20 years before the great downfall occurs. IMO, the problem is there's too many stupid people that think they're special and they cost too much to support.

I'm much more optimistic on that. Regardless of who wins in 2020 there will be a mid term election in 22 so no matter how hard the progressives have screwed things up the voters can take the house back from them if they have it. The same if Trump, or more likely Pence or another Republican manage to hold the White house. Do a good job or lose seats is the rule.
While we will certainly have some hard times ahead as the baby boomer generation moves through and beyond the nursing homes I don't think it will become a great downfall.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 18:19:15

vtsnowedin wrote:Regardless of who wins in 2020 there will be a mid term election in 22 so no matter how hard the progressives have screwed things up the voters can take the house back from them if they have it.

The progressives will spend so much money it will make things artificially look better for a few years. That will dupe a lot of the public. When the interest on the debt later on becomes too much to cover that's when things will head south.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 30 Jan 2019, 18:35:51

mmasters wrote:The progressives will spend so much money it will make things artificially look better for a few years. That will dupe a lot of the public. When the interest on the debt later on becomes too much to cover that's when things will head south.


I think a few of the conservatives will point that out on a regular basis and use it to win elections.

We may have to employ the relentless attach tactics being aimed at Trump today but "what is sauce for the goose.........."
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 08:26:37

Cog wrote:[
1) Massive increases in taxes

Tell that to all the people who want everybody to pay "skin in the game" taxes.
2) Green initiatives that will destroy the fossil fuel industry

Are we supposed to weep for it?
6) Open borders and no immigration enforcement at all

"Oh how terrible, terrible, terrible! The Democrats want less government in something. Waaah!!!"
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Cog » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 08:33:53

47% of the population have no skin in the game at all.

The destruction of the fossil fuel industry will destroy the country.

You got room for 50 million people at your house? I'll send them right over. You can feed, educate, and house them all on your dime.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 09:38:28

lpetrich wrote:Tell that to all the people who want everybody to pay "skin in the game" taxes.
Presently someone with ten million in taxable income pays 3.7 million in Federal income taxes plus state and local taxes. That is skin bone and quite a bit of flesh. Enough is enough!
2) Green initiatives that will destroy the fossil fuel industry
Are we supposed to weep for it?
You will weep for it the day you can't buy the their products.
6) Open borders and no immigration enforcement at all
"Oh how terrible, terrible, terrible! The Democrats want less government in something. Waaah!!!"

Wait until you see the programs they will want to deal with the influx.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 10:30:05

Tell that to all the people who want everybody to pay "skin in the game" taxes.


the top 10% of income earners in the US already pay 2/3rds of the total tax income and bottom 50% pay just 3%. The top 0.1 percent paid 16 percent of the income tax. So the top 0.1 percent paid an aggregate amount more than five times that of half the population. It is pretty clear who has "skin in the game" already.

Are we supposed to weep for it?


I guess you are one of those smug youngsters who doesn't own a car and bikes everywhere? Where do you think the rubber for the tires comes from? How do you plan on constructing a bike without energy input (from fossil fuels currently?). Do you wear nothing but clothes made from organic materials you hand picked and spun on a foot powered loom? I seriously doubt that. I suspect you haven't a clue how much the world counts on energy for pretty much everything and the cheapest form of that at this point in time is oil and gas.

"Oh how terrible, terrible, terrible! The Democrats want less government in something. Waaah!!!"


the stupidy in this statement is pretty much astounding, I don't think it requires any comment.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 10:49:11

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Newfie wrote:Well I have Medicare. But since I’m out of the USA 10 months of a year far good it does me.

So we got an expatriot health care, $2million cap for the two of us, $3,500/year. That tells you what health care costs outside the USA. That SHOULD tell you the USA system sucks.

So assuming your health is decent, then depending on your ages, yeah, that sounds fantastic. Pushing 60, I'm paying nearly $12,000 for just myself, and re ongoing medical expenses -- my health is fantastic. (With me never having come close to hitting the deductible.) My plan doesn't include dental either. My deductible is $2500 a year and my cap is something like 7 million (they raised it for inflation awhile back), but they don't pay nearly what major local providers cost for common things like scans.

The way things are going, I'll be paying $25,000 a year in 2018 dollars by the time I hit Medicare, given that I was paying $3000 annually when I started paying myself 11 years ago.

...

I'd consider a catastrophic plan, but thanks to Obamacare, I can't get a truly high deductible plan anymore, since private plans have to conform to Obamacare norms, no exceptions. Part of that American "freedom" thing. :roll:

I'd consider an Obamacare plan, but I don't trust the incompetence of the government. The software has never worked properly when I've checked things out. People don't answer the phone. The provider networks are simply horrendous. (Our government "at work".)


IIRC they never asked us question one about our health, surely no medical. We were quite suprised.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 10:57:16

Cog wrote:47% of the population have no skin in the game at all.

The destruction of the fossil fuel industry will destroy the country.

You got room for 50 million people at your house? I'll send them right over. You can feed, educate, and house them all on your dime.


Forbes puts it at 45.3%, but it’s a pretty complicated picture, and they predict that number will go down.
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Re: THE Democrat Thread Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 31 Jan 2019, 11:02:20

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